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Nighttrain
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Message 14 of 297 (240340)
09-04-2005 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by arachnophilia
09-03-2005 6:56 PM


Re: Let's not forget the upcoming tragedies.
The Canaries
BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - Mega-tsunami: Wave of Destruction
We have a big slab hanging off Sydney that could let go anytime so you`re not alone.
Edited for more info
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Nighttrain
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Message 20 of 297 (240442)
09-04-2005 9:51 PM
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09-04-2005 1:35 PM


Re: Failing to plan is Planing to fail ...
Hi, Razd, in both threads, blame seems to be loaded on local and Federal authorities, but where is the citizen preparedness? Cyclone warnings on media here usually warn folk to stock up on water, dry food, batteries, torch, radio, etc. to cope till help arrives. Does that happen in danger areas in the States? Even a quickie Google will point you to many survival sites on the `net to prepare lists, purify water, how to cope with natural disasters. Are we so slack we have to lay back and let authorities do everything? Folks were surrounded by water and dying of thirst. Trapped in their homes with no available food. Surely survival starts with the individual?

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Nighttrain
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Message 31 of 297 (240479)
09-05-2005 12:00 AM
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09-04-2005 4:08 AM


Re: Let's not forget the upcoming tragedies.
Hi, Sylas, fascinating when we get two opposing schools of thought in the scientific world, isn`t it?
2001-proposed model Cumbre Vieja-Ward and Day
2002-refutation of W+D`s model-Pararas-Carayannis
2003-confirmation of W+D`s model
Page Not Found | The Guardian
Who knows what 2006 may bring?

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Nighttrain
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Message 73 of 297 (240728)
09-05-2005 10:14 PM


Hurricane Ivan
From Alex Jones' Endgame
When Ivan aimed its fury at the Big Easy, the AP detailed what could happen if the hurricane slammed into New Orleans.
In the case of Ivan, serious problems were caused by a lack of planning for a cataclysmic storm, yet with Katrina on the horizon, the lessons of Ivan were all but forgotten.
A feckless state governor and New Orleans' mayor repeated the same mistakes they made with Ivan, and hundreds of thousands of largely poor people were forced to endure conditions that one associates with the Third World - not the richest nation on the planet.
The disaster in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will come as no surprise to those who recall a September 19, 2004 Associated Press report.
Wrote the AP: "Those who had the money to flee Hurricane Ivan ran into hours-long traffic jams. Those too poor to leave the city had to find their own shelter - a policy that was eventually reversed, but only a few hours before the deadly storm struck land."
Eventually, tens of thousands of New Orleanans were directed to the Superdome - where no food, water or living facilities were provided for the massive number of refugees expected to remain there for at least several days. Fortunately few arrived.
Noted the AP then: "New Orleans dodged the knockout punch many feared from the hurricane, but the storm exposed what some say are significant flaws in the Big Easy's civil disaster plans."
Noted the AP story: "When another dangerous hurricane, Georges, appeared headed for the city in 1998, the Superdome was opened as a shelter and an estimated 14,000 people poured in." But just as happened after Katrina, the AP reported there were problems, including theft and vandalism.
With Ivan approaching, far fewer took refuge from the storm - an estimated 1,100 - at the Superdome, and there was far greater security: 300 National Guardsmen.
Wrote the AP of the Ivan debacle: "The main safety measure - getting people out of town - raised its own problems. More than 1 million people tried to leave the city and surrounding suburbs on Tuesday, creating a traffic jam as bad as or worse than the evacuation that followed Georges. In the afternoon, state police took action, reversing inbound lanes on southeastern Louisiana interstates to provide more escape routes. Bottlenecks persisted, however.
"Col. Henry Whitehorn, head of state police, said he believed his agency acted appropriately, but also acknowledged he never expected a seven-hour-long crawl for the 60 miles between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
"Gov. Kathleen Blanco and [Mayor] Nagin both acknowledged the need to improve traffic flow and said state police should consider reversing highway lanes earlier. They also promised meetings with governments in neighboring localities and state transportation officials to improve evacuation plans.
But it appears that nothing had been changed by the time Katrina made its appearance in the Gulf.
After Ivan, Blanco and other state officials boasted that, while irritating, the clogged escape routes got people out of the most vulnerable areas.
"We were able to get people out," state Commissioner of Administration Jerry Luke LeBlanc said. "It was successful. There was frustration, yes. But we got people out of harm's way."
The lessons of Ivan were never learned, and the people of New Orleans paid the price.
Don`t think any authority can claim they never were aware of the possible consequences after Ivan gave a preview.

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Nighttrain
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Message 78 of 297 (240750)
09-06-2005 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by arachnophilia
09-05-2005 10:18 PM


Re: Hurricane Ivan
Here`s a script which was followed almost to the letter
http://www.nola.com/washingaway/thebigone_1.html
Now I hear alligators are crawling into the submerged houses. Hope no one tries wading through the area. Also heard a huge Navy ship has been offshore with a built-in hospital and desalination plant, but not ordered to NO.

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Nighttrain
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Message 293 of 297 (247080)
09-28-2005 8:11 PM


Incompetence sans frontiers
Just to show you that you haven`t cornered the market.
A certain town council north of here decided to do major cost-cutting and fired their chief engineer. Things got in a tangle quickly so they re-hired him as a full-time consultant------at twice his previous salary.

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