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berberry
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Message 66 of 297 (240718)
09-05-2005 9:27 PM


My nomination for Greatest TV Editorial Ever!
From one of my favorites: Keith Olbermann! Everybody should make time at 8pm ET weekdays for this, the best show on Cable News.
Did you know that the city of Louisiana was flooded? I didn't either, until Michael Chertoff told me so. Oh, and the line about George Bush as a 21st century Marie Antoinette: classic Olbermann! He writes his own stuff, you know. This is one for the ages.

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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berberry
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Message 76 of 297 (240734)
09-05-2005 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by berberry
09-05-2005 9:27 PM


Re: My nomination for Greatest TV Editorial Ever!
A somewhat better quality video of Keith's commentary (and one which you can save to your hard drive and email to all your friends and neighbors) is availabe at Crooks & Liars.

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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berberry
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Message 80 of 297 (240758)
09-06-2005 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Monk
09-06-2005 2:16 AM


Re: FEMA
Whether it's 'we' or 'they' is really beside the point in this situation. New Orleans was not a direct hit and the storm was a cat 4 not a cat 5. The storm made landfall at Waveland MS, which put NO on the west side. Surely, the threat of a cat 5 still exists and still SHOULD be dealt with, as you seem to be pointing out and as I would agree.
But the situation as we have it is much worse than it might have been had the maintenance of the levee system continued under the Bush administration. The fact is that every president since Johnson has provided funding in the budget for the maintenance of the existing levees. There've been a number of unsuccessful proposals to beef up the levee so that it could withstand an even stronger storm, but as it is simple maintenance might have prevented the breach that occurred, especially when you considered that the levee held until after the blow. The democratic senator from Louisiana, Mary Landreau, did in fact plead with republican leaders to keep funding the levee maintenance, but it was dropped.
That said, the levee situation is separate from the issue of the people holed up in the Superdome and the Convention Center. None of those people drowned, but some of them (and we don't yet know how many) did die from dehydration and lack of medical attention. We now know that FEMA turned back a convoy of Wal*Mart trucks carrying water for those people as early as Tuesday, and also refused the service of a M*A*S*H ship that was nearby and prepared to dock at New Orleans.
We might argue over how responsible George Bush is for the disaster at the Convention Center and the Superdome, but the responsibility of Michael Brown and Michael Chertoff is beyond dispute. Brown is utterly incapable of dealing with anything beyond a minor thundershower, and by his own admission Chertoff gets his information about disasters from newspapers. Those two blithering dolts have no business being in charge of anything.
If it's democrats you want to blame, there's plenty to go around in that party too. You can start with the mayor of New Orleans, who by the way was a republican until he decided to run for that office. He's the one who made the survivors at the Superdomw stand back and wait while the wealthy guests at the Hyatt Hotel boarded buses to get the hell out of town.

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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berberry
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Message 87 of 297 (240788)
09-06-2005 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Silent H
09-06-2005 5:49 AM


Re: FEMA
holmes asks me:
quote:
Berb, did you see/hear that Barbara Bush said that many of the people were unfortunates (poor) anyway, and so they are doing all right through this (emergency relief and all)?
Yes, and I thought it was disgusting. The exact quote was:
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (she chuckled)--this is working very well for them."
This is a woman who's been in the public eye for decades. She should know better than to say something like that. Had she said "many of these survivors have had an extremely tough time of it in New Orleans and I hope they'll look at this as a way to get a fresh start and perhaps find a better life for themselves" I don't think she'd be getting all this criticism. But as it is (at least from my perspective) she's sort of the reverse of Nancy Reagan, in that she's someone I once admired but who I know look at with disgust.
If you'll do a search on her quote you'll have no trouble finding the audio. Listen to it; that little chuckle is absolutely revolting.

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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berberry
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Message 88 of 297 (240789)
09-06-2005 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Silent H
09-06-2005 8:33 AM


Re: FEMA
Yeah, that's the good news, huh? Trent Lott's getting a new house folks! Ain't life grand? I just can't wait to go down there and drink mint julips on the front porch.

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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berberry
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Message 90 of 297 (240801)
09-06-2005 9:33 AM


Yep, Mike Brown is about as stupid as they come
I was reviewing the original 'Hurricane Katrina' thread, and one of my own posts from early on underscores the point of what a complete and utter idiot Michael Brown is. Note that this was well before landfall, and that said landfall was indeed east of the city.

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

berberry
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Message 130 of 297 (241537)
09-08-2005 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by robinrohan
09-08-2005 10:04 PM


What can we do?
One thing we certainly can do is insist that important offices like the head of FEMA or the Homeland Security Secretary be held by qualified people rather than by idiots who just happen to have political connections. People talk about how the moral values of this country are going downhill, and now I think that at least on one level I can agree. To think that people were once appalled by the Teapot Dome scandal!
EDITED to change subtitle.
This message has been edited by berberry, 09-08-2005 09:16 PM

"I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

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