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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I just can't wait to go down there and drink mint julips on the front porch. Chiro beat me to the punch. I was actually going to say the same thing. Anyone interested in protesting this fiasco ought to go to Lott's house and say the president sent them. I'd love to see his estate overrun by thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of protestors. Not because I hate Lott so much, but because it points up how ridiculous and thoughtless Bush can be. He seems to have no clue what effects his words and actions have. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Please Bush apologizers, tell me this is making you guys sick as well? No way, dude. This is just what they want to hear. "Hrm, I wonder if those folks from New Orleans are really hard up? Maybe I should do something to help - oh, what's that, Barbara Bush? Heck, I guess you're right! This is the best thing that's ever happened to those folks! Guess I don't need to feel bad for them at all. Thank goodness."
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Peal Member (Idle past 4699 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
To me, being we are a nation at war, why with 90 percent of the oil production in the Gulf of Mexico halted, with a time span of months to years before this production is reestablished, some will never be back online, with the refinery infrastructure in the area disabled, and two major pipelines that supply fuel to the east and northeast, at reduced capacity, this was not seen as a threat to national security? Why didn’t Bush get the federal government involved immediately to manage the removal of the survivors, recovery of the dead, and the rebuilding of the infrastructure? Maybe he realizes this now; you know he is kind of slow. Now the damage control is in full force. I am sure Blanco and Nagin could have handled it better than they did, but Bush is to blame also.
But looking at the people trapped in New Orleans there are not many republican voters in those images. So why worry about them. Lets promise Blanco the world, give her a loaf of bread, and when she falls on her face, we will come in and be the heroes. You know set a platform for a republican victory next gubernatorial election. Typical Karl Rove politics. This message has been edited by Peal, 09-06-2005 05:21 PM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Why didn’t Bush get the federal government involved immediately to manage the removal of the survivors, recovery of the dead, and the rebuilding of the infrastructure? Apparently he was too busy making sure that FEMA actually turned away volunteers, donations,and civil and military aid. Headlines at FEMA's own website? "First responders urged not to respond". Edit: Read the part about the trucks being turned away...PB This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 09-06-2005 06:35 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm on FEMAs site as I write this but I don't see the headline you suggest.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well, not quite a headline as I said - misunderstood the DailyKos article, but here it is:
FEMA.gov | Federal Emergency Management Agency - FEMA.gov is experiencing technical difficulties
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
Even your link does not support your assertion. It is a classic example of quote mining. The full quote seems to be...
WASHINGTON D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), today urged all fire and emergency services departments not to respond to counties and states affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact. “The response to Hurricane Katrina must be well coordinated between federal, state and local officials to most effectively protect life and property,” Brown said. “We appreciate the willingness and generosity of our Nation’s first responders to deploy during disasters. But such efforts must be coordinated so that fire-rescue efforts are the most effective possible.” I have highlighted the part you left out that changes the intent and meaning of the FEMA release. In addition, the release was from the 29th. and so very early in the incident. I think it would be good if you go back and edit a notice into your post clarifying what was really said. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I have highlighted the part you left out that changes the intent and meaning of the FEMA release. I don't appreciate you adopting admin mode in a discussion you've participated in, and as this appears to be not an act of moderation but Jar merely disagreeing with my interpretation of an article, I've chosen to ignore your suggestion, as it appears that you've posted as admin by mistake. Moreover I don't see that the passage you've quoted changes the intent or meaning of the press release as I referred to it. Perhaps you can explain how?
In addition, the release was from the 29th. and so very early in the incident. When, indeed, any kind of aid whatsoever - regardless of origin or oversight - would have been needed. Notice too that the release does not say "fire and emergency services not dispatched by aid agreements should report to a staging area and await orders, so that they can immediately spring into action", it says that they shouldn't go anywhere at all, so that it could take days for these volunteers to reach anywhere they might be useful once FEMA decides to call for them.
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
And it appears that you cannot take suggested moderation.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
And it appears that you cannot take suggested moderation. What moderation was contained in your post? You told me to edit my post to reflect your interpretation of the article. I'm sorry but that's neither appropriate moderation nor appropriate behavior for a moderator. I'm amazed, Jar. I've never seen you abuse your privledges to this degree before.
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
You are suspended indefinitely. You may email Percy for reinstatement.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If you'll do a search on her quote you'll have no trouble finding the audio. American Public Media Archive (click) You need realplayer to listen to it.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It is a classic example of quote mining. I'm sorry that a genuine mistake was viewed as "quote mining", though it's not clear to me how I could be accused of mining quotes without actually quoting from the article. But, to set my remarks in context and defend myself against the accusation of willful deception, let me show you the text of the article that I did read, and what led me to make the comments I did:
quote: from Can FEMA Do Anything Right? Now, I realize that I was considerably misled when this poster characterized his excerpt as "straight from FEMA's website", and it was wrong of me to have characterized this as a "headline", which I already owned up to. But in what sense is this malicious "quote mining"? I presented the quote exactly as it was presented to me, and I sourced it. I apologize for not investigating it myself, but I did not reference the article to support any point, merely to illustrate a statement that I made - FEMA turned away aid, donations, and volunteers. And that statement is true. I'm appreciative to whatever occured behind the scenes to allow me to post again. I will not ask for an apology from Jar because I do not believe one will be forthcoming. But I continue to believe that he has misused his moderator powers, both to bully an opponent - he did ask me to do something that, as a moderator, he certainly had the ability to do himself - and to set his rebuttal to my points beyond challenge behind a shield of moderator authority. I don't believe it's appropriate to ask for repurcussions against Jar; I continue to believe that for the large part he acts for the good of the board. But if what I've said causes him to take a good hard look at his own behavior, as I was caused to do very recently, then I've achieved my goal. Sorry for the brief off-topic digression. I know discussion of moderation issues belongs in the thread for that purpose, and I invite any replies to that part of my post be posted in that thread, accessable via AdminJar's signature.
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Peal Member (Idle past 4699 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
With all of the discussion about whether Blanco asked Bush for help or not is sure spinning. Like Bush I failed political science too. So can someone tell me if Blanco is asking for help or not from this letter?
Pursuant to 44 CFR 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. 404
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3775 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
I am sure you have read Peal's post below and I would have to say that not only does it substantiate your claims above but is just about outright damning for the Bush administrations handling of the disaster. They requested federal assistance starting Aug. 27 according to the LA Gov's website.
I am really beginning to think that this was not just outright incompetence but borderline criminal. (If I was more inclined to be conspiracy minded, well....) {edited to correct date}(Wasn't sure if you had read the LA Gov's website already.) This message has been edited by DBlevins, 09-06-2005 10:21 PM
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