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Mammuthus
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Message 16 of 205 (240967)
09-07-2005 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Silent H
09-07-2005 5:02 AM


Re: Bush isn't totally to blame, but he is the main man.
Here is an indication of how it is going to play out..Delay is already pushing the responsibility onto the local authorities and implying that because Louisiana has a democratic governor, their response was worse. Watch for this to be repeated as mantra until it become accepted fact.
CNN.com - GOP leaders agree to joint Katrina hearings - Sep 7, 2005

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Yaro
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Message 17 of 205 (240987)
09-07-2005 9:31 AM
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09-07-2005 6:11 AM


Re: Bush isn't totally to blame, but he is the main man.
How can they get away with this spin? Man, this administration can feed the public the biggest, most obvious, lines of bullshit and everyone buys it. Remember WMD?
Now they are gonna try and wipe our memories of dozens of local officials litteraly begging the federal govt. to come to NO. Both before and after the chaos.
Ugh... it makes me sick that I can live in a country full of such hypocritical, money-mongering, snakes and liers!

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Message 18 of 205 (240990)
09-07-2005 9:38 AM
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09-07-2005 9:31 AM


I noticed, even before 9/11, that this administration doesn't even bother making their lies plausible. I could never figure whether they felt that the American public was too dumb or too powerless to call them on it; either way, I always thought it showed the extreme contempt that the Bush administration has for the American people.

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Tal
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Message 19 of 205 (240991)
09-07-2005 9:39 AM


Its just because Bush doesn't care about black people.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Yaro
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Message 20 of 205 (240992)
09-07-2005 9:42 AM
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09-07-2005 9:39 AM


I don't think he does.
ABE: What has he done for the black community lately?
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Tal
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Message 21 of 205 (240993)
09-07-2005 9:47 AM
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09-07-2005 9:42 AM


He sent them a hurricane because he didn't sign Kyoto.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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nator
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Message 22 of 205 (240994)
09-07-2005 9:52 AM
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09-06-2005 8:00 AM


quote:
I think it is a mistake to single out Bush for criticism. This is a massive failure of the conservative experiment in cutting the size of government. It started with Reagan.
I agree that Bush is not at all the only one to lay blame upon.
But he is the person at who's feet the buck stops.
He may not be directly to blame, but he is responsible for making it right.
That's the President's job, right?

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nator
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Message 23 of 205 (240996)
09-07-2005 9:58 AM
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09-07-2005 3:57 AM


Re: Bush isn't totally to blame, but he is the main man.
quote:
Well to be more correct with your analogy, shouldn't we then divert our military to bomb some obscure creek somewhere, designated by Bush and Co as a major "fountain" of water related emergencies?
Yeah, and that creek would just happen to be flowing over one of the largest oil fields on Earth.

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Yaro
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Message 24 of 205 (240997)
09-07-2005 10:03 AM
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09-07-2005 9:47 AM


I like your new Av. Tal. Much better than the old one.

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nator
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Message 25 of 205 (240998)
09-07-2005 10:04 AM
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09-07-2005 9:47 AM


Tal, do you have any plans for substantively addressing the OP or are you just going to make contentless asides throughout the thread?

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Tal
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Message 26 of 205 (240999)
09-07-2005 10:05 AM
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09-07-2005 10:03 AM


Thank you.Actually that has been my Avatar since day one (or close to it). I never put up the eagle one. Everytime I looked in my profile, the 1VB "coin" was listed there, but the other pic posted. I have no idea why or why it is now displaying correctly.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
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Message 27 of 205 (241002)
09-07-2005 10:08 AM
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09-07-2005 10:04 AM


Tal, do you have any plans for substantively addressing the OP or are you just going to make contentless asides throughout the thread?
No. It's pretty ridiculous IMO. Political hackery all the way, even in the Nation's worst natural disaster ever. It isn't worth the effort. Some people simply hate Bush and blame him for everything. They aren't interested in any debate or rebuttal. It's just hate..hate...hate...
Start putting forth ideas. Then, maybe, conservatives will start giving you the time of day.
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Well to be more correct with your analogy, shouldn't we then divert our military to bomb some obscure creek somewhere, designated by Bush and Co as a major "fountain" of water related emergencies?
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Yeah, and that creek would just happen to be flowing over one of the largest oil fields on Earth.
Case in point.
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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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nator
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Message 28 of 205 (241005)
09-07-2005 10:21 AM
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09-07-2005 10:08 AM


quote:
No. It's pretty ridiculous IMO. Political hackery all the way, even in the Nation's worst natural disaster ever.
Can you please explain how the OP is solely "political hackery all the way"? I thought it actually involeved the discussion of facts, timelines, and the federal response to Katrina, but maybe I'm mistaken.
It would be a major coup for you to skewer holmes by pointing out exactly where he is just playing politics in the OP, and since I didn't really read it that way, maybe you can explain to me the specific parts that seemed like hackery to you?
quote:
Some people simply hate Bush and blame him for everything.
Yes, that's true, but at least three people in this thread who do not like Bush have also said that he is not to blame for everything, so you wouldn't be talking about us.
It seems to me that you don't want to trouble yourself with actually considering the issues, so you just paint all criticisms of Bush and his appointees to be misguided because of where they come from instead of evaluating the quality of the information regardless of the source.
Some people just love Bush no matter what he does and never blame him for anything (which is the topic of this thread).
Can you honestly say that his and his FEMA and DHS appointees' responses to Katrina were exemplary?
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docpotato
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Message 29 of 205 (241006)
09-07-2005 10:22 AM
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09-07-2005 3:57 AM


Re: Bush isn't totally to blame, but he is the main man.
Well to be more correct with your analogy, shouldn't we then divert our military to bomb some obscure creek somewhere, designated by Bush and Co as a major "fountain" of water related emergencies?
Ack, you're right. New headline: US TO CONTINUE BOMBING TIGRIS AND EUPHRATES RIVER "We'll stop the water flowing into the ocean over there before the waters reach our shores," says Bush. He added by edit: "Our oceans can no longer protect us. In fact, they may be our worst enemy. Fighting the ocean is hard work."
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Tal
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Message 30 of 205 (241007)
09-07-2005 10:28 AM
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09-07-2005 10:21 AM


I wasn't skewering Holmes, I was skewering you.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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