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Author Topic:   Have any Biblical literalists been to the American Southwest?
nator
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Message 1 of 183 (240593)
09-05-2005 1:27 PM


Zhimbo and I have just returned from a fabulous 10 days in the American Southwest.
After 5 nights at a remote B&B at almost 6,000 feet in New Mexico (Zhimbo got in a lot of great astronomical observation) we spent 5 more nights driving to see some of the most incredible geological formations on the planet, including Canyon de Chelly, the Painted Desert and Petrified Forest, Monument Valley, and Grand Canyon.
For fun, I tried to figure out a way to reconcile what most Creationists tell me about what happened to form them and what I saw, but I just couldn't.
My question to the Biblical literalists is have any of you ever seen these places for yourselves and have you really tried to figure out how all of these features could have been produced in a few thousand years, and how the Flood figures in to what is seen?

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Message 3 of 183 (240683)
09-05-2005 7:23 PM
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09-05-2005 2:04 PM


Re: Where oh where is this little thread gone?
Sure, that sounds fine.

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Message 6 of 183 (240696)
09-05-2005 8:09 PM
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09-05-2005 7:58 PM


Re: American Southwest
LOL!

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nator
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Message 8 of 183 (241001)
09-07-2005 10:06 AM


Hello? Any Biblical Literalists out there?
bump

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nator
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Message 25 of 183 (241281)
09-08-2005 10:24 AM
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09-07-2005 11:35 AM


Do you know what the stacked strata consist of?
Are they solid rock or conglomerate, and how would each have had to be deposited due to the particle size?
What kind of rocks form the layers, and why are they in the order that they are in?
How do you explain the sloping sides of mesas and buttes, and the isolated thin, vertical shape of spires? I saw what kind of erosion flood waters make (from some flash floods that occurred this past February there), and they cause perpendicular banks, not sloping banks.
Why, for example, would Spider Rock, a precarious spire hundreds of feet tall, be left in the middle of Canyon de Chelly and not swept away by raging flood waters?
Keep in mind that the tracks you see on the canyon floor are jeep tarcks and the "littel bushes" down there are actually trees which are quite large.

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nator
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Message 26 of 183 (241282)
09-08-2005 10:32 AM
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09-07-2005 7:14 PM


Re: World wide
So, why would we find layers of fine sedimentary rock interspersed between layers of conglomerate, in which there are larger, sometimes quite large, rocks?
Wouldn't all the fine sediment end up on top with all the big rocks on the bottom?

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Message 151 of 183 (241897)
09-09-2005 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
09-09-2005 1:25 AM


quote:
It is based on witness evidence, the very best kind of evidence there is.
Faith.
Have you forgotten our conversation from many months ago regarding the unreliability of eye-witness accounts?
Do we need to go over the facts again?

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