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Tal
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Message 46 of 205 (241237)
09-08-2005 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by arachnophilia
09-07-2005 9:24 PM


tal, the country is starting to wake up and smell the bullshit,
Keep thinking that.
and bush is not winning people over with his actions
Yeah, that's why he and republicans have been winning by ever increasing margins. Win some elections before you make this claim. Last time I checked, you lost the Presidential election (by a wider margin) and you lost more seats in the house and the senate despite an incumbant President (which isn't the norm).
tal, the country is starting to wake up and smell the bullshit, finally. that "liberal" media that's been without a spine for 5 years is growing one.
Oh you mean the forged docuements at CBS and the made up Koran flushing story? You are correct, the media doesn't have a spine. They will have a spine when they start reporting the truth, instead of the "if it bleeds it leads" mentality it currently has so that it can sell more commercials.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 205 (241241)
09-08-2005 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Tal
09-08-2005 7:26 AM


and the made up Koran flushing story?
You didn't hear? Those stories turned out to be absolutely true.

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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 48 of 205 (241242)
09-08-2005 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Silent H
09-07-2005 6:11 PM


There may be fishing, but that does not stop it from being a desert. From what I understand the farmland is almost entirely land reclaimed from the desert, just like LA and LV. That is they put in a lot of money to alter the landscape (like we do with levees). You may correct me if I am wrong on that but that's what the Israelis have been claiming for some time now... it was a desert until they changed it.
They may have done a little with actual desert, but the Jezreel valley was swampland in the 40s. Do they know how to make the desert grow grass? I don't know. But when you are in Egypt, it is all desert. After you cross the 30 meters of no man's land at the border, its all grass and trees. Head a few miles (literally) east and you hit the Jordanian border, and it switches back to desert.
That's funny, how much did WE (notice that is WE) have to pay fatcats, including a Bush clan member, from the savings and loan bailout. Suddenly people who voluntarily put money at risk to make money, stole other people's money and lost it, and we had to pay them back.
Examples?
So what's the big deal if we pay for people that actually face a natural disaster or terrorist attack?
It is the entitlement mentality of people nowadays that irks me. Give me give me give me. The government owes me. IMO the government is not the answer to everything in life, nor should we rely on government to run our lives. 1.9 million for 911 victims is ludicrous, and we've set a dangerous precedent by doing so.
One might also note that Louisiana's problems were not static, but growing due to subsidence, which was pretty much a direct result of a Army Corps of Engineer's screw up.
How did they screw up? Did you know about the 9th Ward crackheads that have been arrested time and time again because they steal dirt from the levees, which makes it weaker?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
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Message 49 of 205 (241243)
09-08-2005 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
09-08-2005 7:43 AM


You didn't hear? Those stories turned out to be absolutely true.
Do you have a source?
They were absolutely FALSE!!!
The story was retracted.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Lizard Breath
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Message 50 of 205 (241251)
09-08-2005 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Yaro
09-07-2005 11:31 AM


The Plan
This was predicted 8 years ago! the question is, why wasn't there a plan?
The plan was lower taxes as created by George Bush which stimulated the economy, allowing more opportunity for NO residents to elevate their econmic circumstances and help themselves.

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Tal
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Message 51 of 205 (241252)
09-08-2005 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Lizard Breath
09-08-2005 8:36 AM


Re: The Plan
This was predicted 8 years ago! the question is, why wasn't there a plan?
George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
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Message 52 of 205 (241253)
09-08-2005 8:53 AM


NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 6, 2005 ” In New Orleans, those in peril and those in power have pointed the finger squarely at the federal government for the delayed relief effort.
But experts say when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments ” not the federal government ” to respond.
Point the finger elsewhere
There you go Bush-haters.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Modulous
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Message 53 of 205 (241255)
09-08-2005 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Lizard Breath
09-08-2005 8:36 AM


Re: The Plan
The plan was lower taxes as created by George Bush which stimulated the economy, allowing more opportunity for NO residents to elevate their econmic circumstances and help themselves.
Looks like the plan failed, badly. $6,000 per year, even tax free, is not really the kind of money that says "private enterprise to erect hurricane defenses". Even at $20,000 tax free you aren't looking at being able to do much alone (perhaps you can raise some unsightly levees around your own house? That might be problematic for your house prices), though you can afford insurance to imdemnify you in case the risk is realized.
What would probably be a good idea is if the governors of the area taxed the residents and used those funds to enact a city wide civil project to defend the city against predicted natural disasters. What would great would be if the Federal government used funds collected from all states to help out the project because not helping the project could have large financial ramifications for the entire republic.
That's just my opinion of course, and I'm sure Bush's plan would have worked if only there wasn't a hurricane in the next few years.

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Tal
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Message 54 of 205 (241256)
09-08-2005 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by arachnophilia
09-07-2005 9:16 PM


I have a new found respect for you arach.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
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From: Fort Bragg, NC
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Message 55 of 205 (241257)
09-08-2005 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Modulous
09-08-2005 8:56 AM


Re: The Plan
Looks like you are comparing 2 different issues. I agree with you about the levee being the responsibility of the local government and the Fed helping with levee funds. I'm from Louisiana and I've been saying that for years.
The problem is NO is a liberal run liberal mecca. Most of the citizens rely soley on goverment to support their lifestyles. The individuals in this category don't pay taxes, so the tax cuts are a moot point. If you want to see Liberalism at its finest...look at NO.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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nator
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Message 56 of 205 (241262)
09-08-2005 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Silent H
09-07-2005 12:44 PM


quote:
Like Sam Kinnison said, “we have deserts but we don’t live in them.”
Tell that to the people of Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and almost everyone in Israel.
...and the 300,000 people who live, ranch, and farm in the Navajo Nation.

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Phat
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Message 57 of 205 (241263)
09-08-2005 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Yaro
09-07-2005 5:14 PM


yaro writes:
The pendulum will swing the other way and you guys will be pissing and moaning just like ya were the last 8 years.
I won't, as long as I get a few handouts (like student loans) from a liberal administration. Lets pull back out of the rest of the world and let them pay for themselves. We need U.S. money at home.
This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-08-2005 09:18 AM

A youth is a person who is going to carry on what you have started. He will assume control of your cities, states, and nations. He is going to take over your churches, schools, and corporations. You may adopt all the policies you please, but how they are carried out depends on him. So it might be well to pay him some attention.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.

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Yaro
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Message 58 of 205 (241264)
09-08-2005 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Tal
09-08-2005 9:06 AM


Re: The Plan
The problem is NO is a liberal run liberal mecca. Most of the citizens rely soley on goverment to support their lifestyles. The individuals in this category don't pay taxes, so the tax cuts are a moot point. If you want to see Liberalism at its finest...look at NO.
Ya know Tal, not everyone has opertunities. Many of the people holding out in NO are poor individuals, who are clinging on to possesions they have worked their whole lives for. Namely their houses.
It looks to me that you 'right-wing' folks aren't doing much better, seeing as how your philosophy seems to be "cut education AND wellfare". What do you think is gonna cause more crime and poverty?
The problem with you folks is that you think in absolutes.

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nator
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Message 59 of 205 (241265)
09-08-2005 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Tal
09-08-2005 7:26 AM


tal, the country is starting to wake up and smell the bullshit,
quote:
Keep thinking that.
Tal, what is the President's approval rating right now?
How does it compare to other Presedents' ratings?

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Modulous
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Message 60 of 205 (241266)
09-08-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Tal
09-08-2005 9:06 AM


Re: The Plan
Most of the citizens rely soley on goverment to support their lifestyles
I'm an adopted N'awlins fella (my step-mother is born and bred, as is my half borther). I doubt that your statement is fully accurate, though I have not got the figures in front of me. Do you have them? Would it be better if we reworded that to 'a disproportionate amount of the citizens rely heavily on government support'?
...so the tax cuts are a moot point.
That was largely my point, when I said
quote:
$6,000 per year, even tax free, is not really the kind of money that says "private enterprise to erect hurricane defenses".
I'm not entrely fluent in USian tax structures, but I'm assuming that $6,000 wagers don't pay much, if any income tax. Perhaps they pay taxes in other ways though, public transport? sales tax? Do you guys have anything like council tax? I'm assuming that if you do, the poorest still don't pay it.
So yes indeed: what good are tax cuts to give people a break to put money towards helping themselves, when those tax cuts don't effect those that were always going to be hit hardest by a natural disaster?
We both agree that this is absurd...according to Lizard Breath this was Bush's plan. I tend to give Bush a little more credit for having a better plan than that.

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