Help Lizard Breath Save Bush from Hurricane Katrina

A strong economy and people not relying on the government to feed/cloth them. I have no problem if someone needs help that cannot help themselves. But the institution to help those people should not be government. My problem is the the individuals who have opportunities, but are non-producers that leech off of the producers. This liberal idea that Goverment is the answer to everything doesn't work. Look at NO. It is the perfect example. It's been run by liberals for 60 years.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

Your excerpt says: The OP, and most (if not all) posters agree. Bush isn't necessarily the prime blame candidate. However, does he have some responsibility? Is he accountable for some of the screw ups that happened? This thread is not about holding Bush ultimately responsible for all things, and this has been painstakingly addressed.

Nobody is saying that the Hurricane is Bush's fault.Nobody is saying that the lack of evacuation plan was Bush's direct fault.BUT, he did appoint the director of FEMA, who's job it is to deal with such things. He also created and appointed a director of an entirely new, big-budget part of the government called the Department of Homeland Security which was also supposed to deal with the response to natural disasters.Both heads of these government agencies failed to deal with Katrina adequately, both proactively and reactively.So, if the owner of my company hires a division manager who absolutely sucks, doesn't know how to do her job, and bungles a really big project such that the busniness starts to suffer dramatically, who is to blame?I'd say the buck would stop at the person who hired the incompetent manager.

There it is! See, I hear this crap all the damn time.1) Who WANTS to be on wellfare?2) What are the statistics concerning the 'leeches' and how are 'leeches' identified?

linkFrom This Modern World:(bold added by me)On Saturday, August 27, 2005 -- two days before Hurricane Katrina made landfall -- President George W. Bush assumed responsibility for the coordination of "all disaster relief efforts" in the State of Louisiana. This is the specific, undisputed language of Bush's declaration of a State of Emergency, issued that day by the White House, and still available for viewing on the White House website. The responsibility for coordinating all disaster relief efforts in New Orleans clearly rested with the White House. Despite all the post-disaster spin by the Bush Faction and its sycophants, despite all the earnest media analyses, the lines of authority are clear and indisputable. Here is the voice of George W. Bush himself, in the proclamation issued in his name, over his signature on Saturday, August 27, 2005: Conspicuous by their absence are Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Tammany, Plaquemines, Jefferson and basically every coastal parish, and the next parishes closest to the coast. So then, let me understand this: Team Bush saw by 26 August that Katrina would be sufficiently dangerous to warrant a preemptive disaster declaration for what looks like about 65-70% of the land area of Lousiana, and he declares it for the _landlocked_ parishes?Now, to follow up with later events... link

Single women that get more money with every new baby they pop out.NO is the most welfare oriented, least entrapenurial, most state dependant southern cities. In 2,000 there were only 25,000 2 parent families. There were more than 26,000 single female households with kids. Leech = someone who lives off of someone else's money.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

NYC and Boston and San Francisco and Chicago have been run by liberals for quite a lot of their respective histories, and they are some of the greatest cities in the country. NYC is one of the greatest cities in the world, an has been traditionally liberal for a long time.In fact, most of America's great cities are liberal.

First, I doubt HIGHLY that women have kids for the money! I hear this crap spewd all the damn time and yet I have not seen any statistics that people are actively going out and getting pregnant to boost their pay-check.Further, maybe if we had BETTER EDUCATION and actually taught SAFE SEX, we would have less people getting pregnant out of wedlock and more people getting good jobs.But that's not the soluttion of you right-wing folks, oh no. It's blame the victim, take away their opertunities, get rid of their schools and medicin, and turn them out on the streets. That sounds like a wonderfull solution! That won't breed more people driven to crime and poverty. Perhapse this is the case, but how is getting rid of their outlets for education, medicin, and money gonna solve any of that?

Good try. Wrong. Bold added by me. Linkage

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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It's blame the victim....

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Sort of like how all those people stuck in New Orleans "chose" to stay behind.

I agree.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

Abstinence works everytime its tried. That is, not having sex until you are married. Then you have the family structure in place.You honsetly think they have no idea about condemns? That's how some live from my hometown. Blame the victim? Who is the victim? What are they a victim of? My argument is not to turn away opportunities, but to give them opportunities. Help from the Federal Government should be a temporary fix, not a way of life.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

Yeah, and that is Bush's fault.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

Hey, I'll let you argue with the Israelis. Every time Palestinians discuss their land, Israeli leaders almost invariably bring up that it was nothing but desert until jews (and later Israelis) converted it to farm use.I have read a little on their land reclamation works and I think it is one of the great things that Israel has accomplished. Here is a link to a discussion of their reclamation of the Negev desert.Big clue as to why Israel and Egypt look different. Israel has lots of money coming in to improve the land, and has so for some time. They have advanced a long way in that field. Egypt has not. Here is a link to a new and ongoing project between Israel and Egypt to help Egyptians reclaim their lands from the desert. Perhaps some day you will not see such a dramatic difference. You've never heard of the massive Savings and Loan bailout of the 1980's? Okay, with just a quick search I came up with this link. I cannot say one way or the other if this site is biased in any way, but the general facts about how the bailout was handled (including amounts) is correct. The article appropriately skewers dems as well, so my thought is it isn't too biased. Here is a short excerpt to compare to what 911 and this hurricane might cost people... Oh yeah and about the Bush connection... Please don't give me sob stories about poor people and communities getting money after disasters hit, when the rich bail themselves out of risky money ventures that go south. I agree that the gov't, especially the fed gov't is not the answer for everything. However when we have the capability of preventing and alleviating the harm of natural and manmade disasters, then it seems that a large and centralized system would be the best way to handle these needs.I'm not sure exactly how much went to 911 victims, and what that money went for. If you have real stats I would like to see them. I would agree that 1.9 million for every survivor is a bit much, but then look at what the investors and bank owners got in the S&L bailout.I find your position massively ironic, when the entire Iraq War is now being excused, including by you, as a bailout of poor people in an impoverished and downtrodden nation. Instead of physical levees, we are installing democracy to protect them and others in the region. Of course how many projects along the lines of levee systems will we pay for during our reconstruction of their country? Isn't it their "fault" for choosing to live there? I am unaware of the crachheads in specific, but I did not need to be, and this goes back to what I already suggested was part of their screw up. About ten years ago we had massive flooding in the upper MS river. At that time, and that was without fears of terrorists trying to make things worse, noncrackheads were breaking levees. So yes I knew, and anyone else should have known, that the probability was high that the levees might be breached somewhere. It is historical record.That is not to mention the degree of lawlessness seen in Indonesia's Tsunami. The size of this storm and potentials for flooding should have had thinkers making comparisons when drawing up plans.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Bullshit, we are humans, we like sex, it's part of our nature. You ain't gonna make anyone stop having it. It's about promoting condoms.We can start a new thread about the innane 'Abstinance Only Program'. We are talking about the role of poverty and social wellfare enlight of the katrina disaster.In which case you answer my question with: Ah, so you know them personaly? Further, how is your hometown representative of the poor in the greater USA?See what I mean about narrowminded absolutism? You 'right-wing' people can never seem to think beyond your own experience. I actually agree with you to some extent. The amount of people on wellfare is out of hand, it's a shame. But the sollution is not to put them out on the street and cut their aid, it's to follow-up wellfare with an actual road out of it.I mean, they get on wellfare cuz their poor and uneducated, so now they got some money to get themselves stable. But guess what? no decent schools, not enugh money, no medical care, etc. etc. Just gets them deeper into the hole.The wellfare system should provide a ladder out. But it seems to me that the people surviving that way can see no way out.