Sex Education

When our local junior high school had at least five pregnant seventh grade girls last year (from a class of 200 or a little less) it's high time to be teaching the fifth or sixth graders about something other than abstinence. Thirteen is too young to be a mommy.

Agreed. Find me the passage where God speaks of monogamy. Jesus and some of the apostles might have, but God himself gave rules on how to have more than one wife.Marriage was important, but the number of wives was not. Jesus and his disciples did not necessarily overrule those laws set by God. That is not true. You can have all the promiscuous sex you want and never suffer pregnancy or STDs or even guilt. The first two are based on how you have sex, not the number of partners. The second is based on having sex consistent with your value system, and believe it or not people do not all have your value system. What does self control have to do with not having sex with another person? Or better put, why does self control not include not talking to others of the opposite sex, or not dancing with the opposite sex, or not ever being near others for which you might have sexual interests, etc?I think you would be right that people should be taught selfconfidence to follow their own beliefs, and parents should try and instill their beliefs into their children.As much as I am for promiscuous sex, I do not believe that that should be a part of sex ed, and indeed have never heard of a sex ed class promoting such a thing. Neither Monogamy nor polygamy are answers to inherently personal level issues surrounding sex, and as such should have no part in sex ed. That needs to be discussed at home and with one's friends/community.Sex ed is how to protect your sexual health, whether you wait till marriage or not. For a guy claiming such great self control, and that others should also have great self control, how can a sex ed course teaching methods of staying healthy convince you or anyone else to have sex now, instead of later?

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Holms, I agree with most of your post, but I don't understand why you would think Promiscuous sex is a healthy thing. As I posted before: The definition itself embodies a certain level of irresponsibility. Is there a better word we could be using?

Well it depends on what one means by promiscuous. You just gave three different definitions. The third has no level of irresponsibility and is usually how people refer to "promiscuous".Of course there can be equivocation between not having much care in who your partners are and doing so in a manner which can risk your health. That seems to be what may be implied in the second definition as well as the last half of the first definition.I have had casual sex with many different partners, many anonymously, and so has more than one of my gfs. No one has ever caught anything at all. We do get tested so its not a case of ignorance. Its how you interact with those you do not know, or do not know the health of, that will determine what you can walk away with.Lack of morals does not cause anything. Engaging in certain sexual acts with people that are infected with something, will open you to transmission and so "cause" something.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Hold on, hold on - that's all a bit of a jumble. I could have sex with multiple partners over a period of time. That does not means that I am acting in an irresponsiblemanner in regards to protection.2. Lacking standards of selection; indiscriminate.I could be very selective in who I pick to have sex with - that's seems to automatically attach some form of value to the period of time or how well you know them. What if I select them because they are big-breasted redheads who I know have been checked out for STDS by my dating agency?Causal/random doesn't automatically mean irresponsible.I do,however, take your generally point but how about we use "sexual active"?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-Sep-2005 05:41 PM

What is legitemetly curious? We all have hormones and sex drives. That's undeniable. But with the drive goes responsibility. As far as sex only being good in marriage is false. If sex wasn't good outside of marriage, nobody would be adulterating or fornucating. What is over looked is the emotional sequence in favor of the imidiate physical gratification.It's the emotional toll of promiscuity that is the hidden demon in this behavior and is also what the liberal adgenda tries to whitewash. You cannot have sex with someone without some type of emotional bonding taking place. And if the emotional bonding is extremely superficial and temporary, when it blows away, a scar is left just like when a scab is torn from flesh. The result is surface scaring of the soul. If you enguage in this long enough, what is left is almost too callous to be able to experience the true sensations of honest unselfish emotional gratification of a relationship reinforced with sexual contact. All that's left is the sex act with animalistic physical satisfaction.If the promiscuity is much less, and with fewer partners but for longer stints, the result is like a tree that is transplanted every year or two and then violently ripped up by the roots. The scaring of the soul is much deeper and leaves great rifts in the emotional bank account, which doesn't allow the individual to properly reciprocate emotionally in a meaningful committed marriage. So years after marriage, these college coed genius's who "Experimented and Co-habitated" with each other have serious emotional toxic sewage rising to the surface and scars the emotional landscape of the marriage.So you can only imagine the emotional train wrecks out there who have chossen the combination platter of these sexual practices.It's like you are building your marriage on a toxic landfill of emotional dumpings that are buried and unresolved but surface to affect the partner who arrived long after the "Legitimate Curiosity" was spent on all the others.

All rubbish, I'm not even sure where to start.

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It's the emotional toll of promiscuity that is the hidden demon in this behavior and is also what the liberal adgenda tries to whitewash.

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I think this is more to do with the rather victorian morals than americans tend to have SEX=BAD SEX+MARRIAGE+BLESSINGOFLORD=DOUBLEPLUSGOOD.

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All that's left is the sex act with animalistic physical satisfaction.

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And the problem with this? It's not really my cup of tea but what's the problem?The other flaw with what you are saying is that you present everything as a logical progression to marriage - many of us are just not interested in marriage.This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 05:49 PM

Yeah, It's time to start teaching them the long term ramifications of promiscuity and the foolishness of giving away their innocence for the lie of modern society.It's also time to start teaching accountability with abstinence as to why it is the proper way to behave with their bodies in the first place.With evolution, kids are nothing more than evolved animals with a tempory pressense in an inconsequential eternity. With ID, there is an after life with real eternal consequences for activity enguaged in now. That adds a great degree of purpose to the program of abstinence.The emotional stability that isn't rocked by allowing kids to have intercoure with each other helps free the mind to develope non-sexual social skills and allow the mind to fully develope before introducing this activity.

Dude, you're so huministically burned out that you can't even recognise the quality factor of sexual intercourse as a bonding and cementing factor in a stable committed marriage. To you, it's all about real time pleasure - and sex is a tool you see as a way to get there.What's the problem? The human soul was designed to pair bond with one other as a life long mate. The human soul is not a product of evolution to use other flesh as some type of elixer to achive a physical high.

Do you have a reading problem?

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And the problem with this? It's not really my cup of tea but what's the problem?

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To you, it's all about real time pleasure - and sex is a tool you see as a way to get there.

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And I said this where? Where did I indicate this was my behaviour? We have plenty of people here willing to make up things - why not stick to what I actually said.I don't know what this soul object beyond being a construct of the christian religion so I'll leave that bit.This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 05:58 PM

I don't like the idea of an atheist teaching my child, whom I've raised to recognize his soul, that sex is perfectly fine as long as he wraps his dick in rubber.I think sex ed should be left to the parents, except what would be taught in biology class(which is a lot), but most parents are scared to teach it...so, schools are unneccessarily left with the bill.Now, I have to re-teach my kid, so he isn't negetively affected by what he's learned in school, and the problem is solved.

Which is generally what the kids get in the UK (reproduction in science classes) with some social context (Social development and education class - best to wait, best to be involved in a loving relationship) and then some practical advice (If you do have sex then you should...)If it's any comfort, I'd feel unhappy about some christian filling my children's up with their nonsense. That's why in the UK we have a set currula that is strictly factual in nature.This message has been edited by CK, 08-Sep-2005 06:25 PM

Yup, thank god for keeping religion out of the public schools seriously though I have wondered about how and by whom curriculums are set up, and there was a thread about how scientist should decide whats taught in the science classroom, IIRC, and I thought but they might be bad teachers...Anyways, thats OT but I couldn't really find anything on the internet about that subject, so if you know....

I believe that the media has kids far more knowledgable about sex already. The schools want to teach sex because they teach it in a way that gives the green light to sex outside of marriage. The education system in this country is driven by a powerful liberal adgenda which at it's core strives to destroy the traditional foundation of this country which is the 2 parent family.So they attack it with sex ed, abortion faccilitation without parental consent, instruction on how to involve the law when a parent refuses to cave in to a demand - calling it abuse, redefining values thru homosexual introduction, tearing down structural walls by denying the existance of a creator and instead teach an inconsequential eternity, teaching that kids are not unique special creations but rather evolved animals protected by the government, and giving them behavior modifying drugs when the fruits of this madness begin to manefest while they are still in school instead of later when they are turned loose on society.

In the UK - it is set at the national level:http://www.ncaction.org.ukIf you want to see what is taught on an english science examination course:Edexcel | About Edexcel | Pearson qualificationsAn example section would be:

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Students will be assessed on their ability to:
describe a DNA molecule as two strands coiled to form a double helix, the strands linked by a series of paired bases (adenine with thymine and cytosine with guanine)

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” explain that DNA controls the joining together of amino acids to make a specific protein in a cell and that the order of bases in a section of DNA decides the order of amino acids in the protein

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” explain that sections of DNA coding for specific proteins can be transferred into microorganisms which are then cultivated in fermenters to produce useful substances, including human insulin

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” explain that microorganisms use an external food source to obtain energy, changing some substances in the medium and recall that this process is fermentation

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” describe a fermenter as a vessel used to cultivate microorganisms and explain the need to supply suitable conditions in fermenters, including aseptic precautions, nutrients, optimum temperature and pH, oxygenation and agitation

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” explain the advantages of using microorganisms for food production
- rapid population growth; ease of manipulation
- production independent of climate
- use of waste products from other industrial processes

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” describe organelles in the cell that are involved with making protein

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” describe the stages of protein synthesis
- the coding by triplets of bases to produce RNA
- the linking of RNA to ribosomes
- the linking of amino acids to form polypeptides

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” recall that aerobic respiration provides energy for work B2 1.9
” explain how glucose and oxygen diffuse from capillaries into respiring cells, and how carbon dioxide diffuses from respiring cells into capillaries

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