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nator
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Message 35 of 297 (240599)
09-05-2005 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Monk
09-04-2005 1:06 PM


once again, monk misses the point
What on earth are you talking about?
Nobody is blaming Bush for the existence of the hurricane.
That's the kind of thing Pat Robertson does, and since he likes Bush he won't do that.
It's the sluggish, seemingly incompetent and disorganized federal response to the hurricane that people are complaining about.
Tell me, who created the Department of Homeland Security? What is the mission and parameters of that department, and who appointed the person to lead that department?
Wouldn't the person or persons who gave somebody a job be responsible if that appointed person didn't do his job adequately?
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nator
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Message 36 of 297 (240600)
09-05-2005 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Nighttrain
09-04-2005 9:51 PM


Re: Failing to plan is Planing to fail ...
People were told to go to the Astrodome by the authorities, and many of them did.
But there were no emergency services there. No water, no toilets, no food, no security.

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nator
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Message 37 of 297 (240602)
09-05-2005 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Nighttrain
09-04-2005 9:51 PM


Re: Failing to plan is Planing to fail ...
quote:
Even a quickie Google will point you to many survival sites on the `net to prepare lists, purify water, how to cope with natural disasters.
How many of those poor people do you think owned computers, let alone had web access?

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nator
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Message 106 of 297 (240986)
09-07-2005 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by arachnophilia
09-05-2005 10:00 PM


Re: FEMA
quote:
these dudes are apparently getting their news from tv, btw. but that's no excuse. i'm getting MY news from tv too. and it was pretty obvious. maybe they were having a secretary tape the news, and they review it five days later or something.
But see, you and I are part of the reality-based community.
The Bush administration is not, so was unconcerned with the reality of Katrina bearing down upon NOLA.
"If we just believe what we want to believe about what we want to have happen, and we tell the country that this unreality is actually what is real, then everything will work out and we will stay in power."

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nator
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Message 121 of 297 (241499)
09-08-2005 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Tal
09-07-2005 4:42 PM


Re: Reality vs Belief based
We invaded Iraq because leadership believed
quote:
Wrong. Everyone believed.
The millions of protesters in the US and around the world didn't believe.
Most of Europe didn't believe, and those that gave us the benefit of the doubt were clearly unwise to do so.
None of my friends or family believed.
Many posters on this board didn't believe.
I didn't believe.

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nator
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Message 132 of 297 (241730)
09-09-2005 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by robinrohan
09-08-2005 10:04 PM


Re: Reality vs Belief based
What about launching a public awareness program locally and of telling people to have a certain amount of water, canned food, batteries, flashlights and camping lamps, extra clothing stored in watertight storage, extra medications and medical supplies, etc.
What about hospitals having a priority list of wards to evacuate and military hospitals or other hospitals to transport each to?

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nator
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Message 138 of 297 (241893)
09-09-2005 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Trixie
09-09-2005 3:43 PM


Re: Brown recalled to Washington
I think that by "folk", jar means "those unencumbered by living in the reality based community".
IOW, Bush and all Bushites.

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nator
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Message 147 of 297 (243191)
09-14-2005 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by RAZD
09-13-2005 10:33 PM


Re: Brown is gone
You know that the only reason Bush said he is "taking responsibility" is because Rove told him to.

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nator
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Message 295 of 297 (247110)
09-28-2005 10:17 PM


Tal, how much are you going to contribute?
Has anyone else heard about this?
Time for all of the Iraq war supporters to put up or shut up.
Bush plea for cash to rebuild Iraq raises $600
Mark Townsend in Houston
Sunday September 25, 2005
The Observer
An extraordinary appeal to Americans from the Bush administration for money to help pay for the reconstruction of Iraq has raised only $600 (337), The Observer has learnt. Yet since the appeal was launched earlier this month, donations to rebuild New Orleans have attracted hundreds of millions of dollars.
The public's reluctance to contribute much more than the cost of two iPods to the administration's attempt to offer citizens 'a further stake in building a free and prosperous Iraq' has been seized on by critics as evidence of growing ambivalence over that country.
This coincides with concern over the increasing cost of the war. More than $30 billion has been appropriated for the reconstruction. Initially, America's overseas aid agency, USaid, expected it to cost taxpayers no more than $1.7bn, but it is now asking the public if they want to contribute even more.
It is understood to be the first time that a US government has made an appeal to taxpayers for foreign aid money. Contributors have no way of knowing who will receive their donations or even where they may go, after officials said details had be kept secret for security reasons.
USaid's Heather Layman denied it was disappointed with the meagre sum raised after a fortnight. 'Every little helps,' she said.
In the past 12 months, Americans raised some $250bn for charity, including other foreign causes such as the Asian tsunami victims. Layman said: 'There is no financial goal. People are looking for a way to help rebuild Iraq and this is a way to facilitate that.'
The fundraising comes amid concern that some US projects in Iraq will be scrapped or only partly completed because of rising costs. Some officials fear that money may run out before key projects are completed.
Last week, the number of US troops killed in Iraq rose above 1,900.

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