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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
We invaded Iraq because leadership believed quote: The millions of protesters in the US and around the world didn't believe. Most of Europe didn't believe, and those that gave us the benefit of the doubt were clearly unwise to do so. None of my friends or family believed. Many posters on this board didn't believe. I didn't believe.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
We did not prepare for Katrina because belief. Folk believed it was too expensive to prepare for a 300 year storm. This comment seems a little unfair to me. The damage caused by tropical weather is too unpredictable. There are some things one cannnot prepare for.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Oh Yeah?
Let's look at that. What would happen when a major hurricane made landfall just to the east of New Orleans had been widely known for many, many decades. It was as common knowledge as what will happen when the major earthquake hits LA. What would it cost to have plans in place to relocate approxiamtely 1-2 Million refugees? Are you seriously saying that having such a contingency plan sitting on the shelf and updated every couple years is beyond reasonable consideration? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Are you seriously saying that having such a contingency plan sitting on the shelf and updated every couple years is beyond reasonable consideration? I don't know what sort of "plan" we could have. Do we have a plan that matters for the "big one" in California? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Hell no we don't. Or for any of the other similar natural and man made disaster that WILL happen.
The failure borders on criminality IMHO and is certainly shortsighted and foolish. If you knew there might be 1-2 million refugees, what would be the first item YOU would put on the list? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
If you knew there might be 1-2 million refugees, what would be the first item YOU would put on the list? There's not too much one can do BEFORE it happens. Now I agree that the response was unacceptable, but I don't know that some plan way beforehand would have helped. It's not like we can have a thousand buses just hanging about on the offchance that something might happen.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But what can we do?
Would it be possible to have lists of all the military bases that have housing that could be co-oped? This message has been edited by jar, 09-08-2005 08:30 PM Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But what can we do? Not a lot ahead of time. And I might add, even in regard to the levees, I find it a bit unfair to blame people for a lack of prescience.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Could we have a list of all the military bases that could be used for refugee housing?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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berberry Inactive Member |
One thing we certainly can do is insist that important offices like the head of FEMA or the Homeland Security Secretary be held by qualified people rather than by idiots who just happen to have political connections. People talk about how the moral values of this country are going downhill, and now I think that at least on one level I can agree. To think that people were once appalled by the Teapot Dome scandal!
EDITED to change subtitle. This message has been edited by berberry, 09-08-2005 09:16 PM "I think younger workers first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." George W. Bush, May 4, 2005
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2893 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
There is a lot more that could have been done ahead of time. First of all, we could have had a viable evacuation plan that included getting out the people who can't drive out. China evacuated over 600,000 people a couple of weeks ago ahead of a typhoon. Most of them did not have private cars. It CAN be done. It is a matter or will and planning. What won't work and we knew it wouldn't work is to tell everyone to leave 24 hr ahead of the storm when there have been no "drills" ahead of time and no provision is made for people needing transport. Is it expensive? Sure, but it would have saved lives AND money in the long term.
Second, the dikes could have been reinforced and raised to cover a cat 5 hurricane. Again, we knew it was a possibility. No we can't remove the threat entirely but we could have prevented flooding this time if the recommendations of FEMA's own experts on the ground in NO had been followed. On edit: By the way we have known at least since the 1920s that the events brought on by Katrina were a possibility and it was ranked by Homeland Security as one of the top three disasters that should be prepared for so it doesn't wash to holler "hindsight is 20/20." This message has been edited by deerbreh, 09-08-2005 11:04 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
What about launching a public awareness program locally and of telling people to have a certain amount of water, canned food, batteries, flashlights and camping lamps, extra clothing stored in watertight storage, extra medications and medical supplies, etc.
What about hospitals having a priority list of wards to evacuate and military hospitals or other hospitals to transport each to?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I bet that the members here can write the response plan for a major catastrophic incident and do so in less than 100 posts and less than a week. If that is possible, then what is the excuse for the Nation not having one in place?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2893 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Yep. And if one was serious one would have a database containing the following information:
names and addresses of every household and # of people as well as every person: In a wheelchairBedridden On dialysis On insulin without transport with surplus transport with medical/first aid training etc. much more but you get the idea.
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3706 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
News on this side of the pond is that Brown is gone. Why am I not surprised?
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