General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consecution

A gem of a contentless ambiguous post. You put me to all that work and now you refuse to acknowledge that I was right? Why do you think creationists should bother to take pains to comply with challenges like yours when we're treated like this?This message has been edited by Faith, 09-13-2005 10:48 PM

It was supposed to be a discussion of the methodologies available to YECs in investigating whether or not known observations can be reconciled with YEC / a literal interpretation of the Bible. Things such as, what are the methodologies, what are the limitations / dangers of such methodologies, and how those methodologies relate to the scientific method. Things like that.Besides the discussions you mentioned, I felt discussion moved into discussing specific ideas about resolving YEC with science (gravity... marsupials... etc). I also felt that discussion about suggestions of how to make things work had run its course, and I had already opened a thread in "Suggestions and Questions" about it, so talk about practical means to make things work could continue there anyway.Hope that helps clear things up.

Well, if you want more Faith, here goes...You have been pampered.You are held to lower standards of behavior than any other member at EvC.The thread you are complaining about was closed because of off topic comments, not anything you said. see Message 189You have continuously refused to answer specific questions, for example, "in your Flood Hypothesis, how does sandstone form?"You have not taken the opportunity to discuss geological issues when given to you, witness the work Jazzen did in the great debate.In addition, the Administrators, including me, have bent over backwards to give you access to Science threads so you can respond even though you have stated up front that you will not abide by the scientific method.Sorry Faith, Nosy was right. You're behavior is that of a "Snotty Child".

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You are simply muddling up the facts. You are now referring to the thread's being closed AFTER it was moved to the science forum where I could not post on it. What I said above is true -- it was shut in my face while I was avidly posting on it in the NONscience area. Oh, where was that asked? In one of those threads where I was having to answer many posters at once that came to an end before I got to that question? Or maybe it was one of your questions to keep me busy on a side issue. The answer is, by the way, that in my Flood Hypothesis, sandstone forms exactly the same way it forms in the anti-Flood Hypothesis. I put in a tremendous amount of work on that thread myself, and again many hours recently too, as I thought I would return to it. However, it is not the geological issues that are the reason I gave up on that thread as much as it is the morass of confusion, the multiplicity of topics. I reviewed the whole thing, and in this recent return to it, followed up on the links in the early part of the thread before it became a Great Debate as well. In that effort I realized that the problems are probably insurmountable. The first three or four pages of it were based on a misreading of my OP, where I clearly stated that it was the horizontality of the strata that was in question. It seems to me that given millions of years of exposure to erosion, any individual layer would not be horizontal as they clearly are in the Grand Canyon. For pages I was hounded about not accounting for the RATE of erosion in relation to the rate of deposition, which was a red herring because I wasn't addressing quantity but horizontality, which was perfectly clear in the OP. But I was also told how the strata aren't all that *perfectly* horizontal -- a red herring objection that creates a sense of despair about the possibility of actually communicating with anybody on that subject, Why bother if such simple points are so misunderstood? PAGES were wasted on that stuff. Then I also tried to get back to the point where the Great Debate proper had started and found too too many topics being raised. And then the attitude of the peanut gallery didn't help things either. {Edit: This is incorrect. I have never said I will not abide by the scientific rules ("method" didn't come up) on science forums. I have in fact said the opopsite.}Which is/was being discussed on the thread you started this side issue from as well as my first post on the Geology Data thread IRH started. Time to get back to it as it is an important discussion.This message has been edited by Faith, 09-21-2005 03:10 AM

Might I suggest that when a poster starts a topic with another posters reply , that they be given a notice.

Okay.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Just a reminder. You demanded on the other thread that I support my allegation or admit I was incorrect: I have supported my allegations on this thread. I have answered every objection you have brought up and shown that you had simply misconstrued the facts. At this point you should acknowledge that I have demonstrated that my allegations were right.

If I thought for even one second you had supported your assertions I would gladly admit you were right, however you have not done so. The thread in question was closed because of topic drift, not what you were prattling on about. When it was moved into the Science Forums you were given access to those forums even though you are unwilling to abide by the Scientific Method or to bother to learn anything about the subjects.Your behavior is still that of a "Snotty Child" and now is becoming more like the "Petulant three year old" telling mommy that you are not running, you are skipping.Faith, you are pampered here. You are allowed leaway given to no other member. You are allowed to post in the Science Forums even though you have repeatedly said you will not abide by the Scientific Method.I have supported maintaining posting privileges for you simply because I believe it is important that everyone understand that there are people such as yourself that are incapable of reasoned thinking. I will continue to support your ability to post here.Consider it a public service.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Jar, there are many other sites to witness Faith-based behavior.Every thread Faith is in becomes about Faith.I feel there is much unrest in the ranks about the uneven playing field.If there were a poll I think you know how I'd vote.

If I was given access to the science forums at that point nobody told me. Nosy clearly moved the thread with the intention of ignoring me. He said so in the post where he moved it that I quoted to you above. http://EvC Forum: Have any Biblical literalists been to the American Southwest? -->EvC Forum: Have any Biblical literalists been to the American Southwest?That doesn't sound like an invitation to me to post at the new location.I was LATER given access to a PARTICULAR science forum on ANOTHER TOPIC, but that one remained closed to me as I understood it. If it was in fact open I was NOT INFORMED OF THE FACT, and in fact I mentioned elsewhere that I could not post on it and nobody said that I could, which seems odd if I could. I am sure I even tried just to find out if I could and found out that I could not, but I couldn't prove that.You are continuing to address the topic drift reason for closing the new thread in the science forums where I couldn't post -- or THOUGHT I couldn't post, which amounts to the same thing -- and ignoring the reason for closing the thread when it was in the nonscience forums.I answered your challenges and you should acknowledge that you were wrong.This message has been edited by Faith, 09-14-2005 07:22 PM

You are going to have a hard time getting such an acknowledgement since on at least one of the science forums I was the one that restored your permissions.Faith, we are trying to bend over backwards to allow you to continue. Now stop whining.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It was not the one you are addressing above. You challenged my allegation that the Southwest thread was closed in my face and I proved that it was, and proved it again above with the link to AdminNosy's action to close it.This requires an acknowledgment from you as you required me to prove it or concede. I proved it.

Again, nobody has ever informed me until now that I have access to the science forums in general. All I was told was that I have been given specific access to Irish Rock Hound's and Ben's. I have continued to consider myself banned from the science fora in general, so this is news to me if I'm not.

You most certainly ARE banned from all of the other Science forums and hopefully that will continue until you show some understanding of what the Scientific Method is.Faith, this is the last post on this subject.IMHO you have not supported your assertion.Folk have bent over backwards to grant you special consideration. Stop whining.That's it Faith, the end.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well if you won't acknowledge that I supported my allegations then I appeal to other admins or anyone else to acknowledge it. The previous train of posts establishes that I did support my allegations as Jar claims I did not, and Jar's denial has no justification.