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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
He's only been removed from Hurricane Katrina effort oversight. Folk still have full confidence in Director Brown.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3705 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
Stupid question, but I have to ask it. Why? Why do they still have confidence in him? Am I being exceptionally dense? Everything I've heard and seen so far crucifies him.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I think that by "folk", jar means "those unencumbered by living in the reality based community".
IOW, Bush and all Bushites.
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3705 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
Yep, think you're right about those unencumbered by living in the reality-based community".
I wonder if those of you on the other side of the Atlantic are aware of how this is being seen in the UK? I haven't personally heard a single person, be it Joe Public or politician, defend the handling of the crisis. The media all see it the same way - total cock-up. Last night we were treated to footage of troops in non-flooded, affluent areas happily spending time posing for the cameras while the reporter tried to get his head round the fact that they claimed not to have time to retrieve bodies. He failed, by the way, you could hear the disbelief and frustration in his voice.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think the issue is a major one, and one that will haunt us in the future.
We still are saddled with a large body of decision makers at the local, state and federal level, the President and most of the Cabinet, much of the Legislature and the majority of the Supreme Court that are part of the belief based community. I really wonder if the US will be able to survive. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2892 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Well the U.S. will survive but we are headed into either a major recession or a major inflationary spiral or both, imo. I am struck with the similarities to the "guns and butter" approach of LBJ in the 60s that gave us stagflation by the end of the 70s. Unless Bush is willing to roll back the tax cuts and maybe actually raise them (a "windfall profits" tax on the oil companies, for example) I see no way of avoiding major economic pain about the time of the 08 presidential election or shortly thereafter.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5677 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Based on what?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Peal Member (Idle past 4698 days) Posts: 64 Joined: |
Browm head of FEMA has just resigned.
http://news.yahoo.com/.../20050912/ap_on_go_ot/katrina_brown This message has been edited by Peal, 09-12-2005 03:13 PMadded link This message has been edited by Peal, 09-12-2005 03:13 PM
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2892 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Based on what? Based on what happened in the 70s (inflation followed by recession and stagflation) which economists agree was likely a direct result of the inability of LBJ and then Nixon to control deficit spending. Well they don't hold a candle to what Bush has done so far and shows every sign of continuing to do. And by the way, it was the oil shocks in 1973 aand again in 1979 that contributed to making the inflation and stagflation even worse.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
yep.
and president botch is probably hoping that this will take the pressure off the rest of the misunderadministration we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3822 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: Wonder why it says "at least three days" if FEMA is supposed to show up right after the storm? Now, how about some fun with remote sensing?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You know that the only reason Bush said he is "taking responsibility" is because Rove told him to.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3822 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: Right. So considering that authority to evacuate New Orleans rests exclusively with their city government:
quote: The resource cannot be found. Why didn't they?
quote: A couple of weeks? A "couple of weeks" before landfall Katrina did not exist. Unless you're going to put psychics in the Office of Emergency Management, ain't gonna happen.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3822 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: FEMA is not responsible for everything that goes on in a disaster area. Their purpose is not to take over, but to assist local authorities. They cannot be legally deployed until formally requested by a governor. Again:
quote: http://www.fema.gov/...xt_reader_fema_strat_plan_fy03-08.doc
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
A couple of weeks? A "couple of weeks" before landfall Katrina did not exist. Unless you're going to put psychics in the Office of Emergency Management, ain't gonna happen. The quote said that event happened 'a couple of weeks ago', not that China evacuated in a couple of weeks. Typhoon More info And More
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