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Originated: 09-11-2005 10:09 AM
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Topic: What does life do outside of science?
Message 22 of 112 (242738)
09-12-2005 8:41 PM
Message 21 by crashfrog 09-12-2005 8:25 PM
Re: I don't get it at all
But accepting that distinction, which I agree is reasonable, doesn't to my mind imply that morality, meaning, and ethics are beyond the ability of science to inform.
To inform, yes--in the sense of "help." One might use an analogy from some literary study. Suppose we discovered some ancient poem. We could use scientific methods to perhaps determine the date and origin of the work, by analyzing the ink and paper. The date and origin helps us to understand the work, but there would be a great deal of interpretation--non-scientific in nature--that would have to be done in order to write up our study on the poem. The overall judgment about the poem would by helped by science but would not be scientific, in the same way that our overall moral judgment about some matter might be helped by science but would not be scientific.
This message has been edited by robinrohan, 09-12-2005 07:42 PM
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Message 24 of 112 (242744)
09-12-2005 9:10 PM
Message 23 by crashfrog 09-12-2005 8:51 PM
Now, I come to a decision about which conclusion I think is most likely, and that process of coming to my conclusion doesn't proceed via scientific methodology but according to my view of how well each article supported their points.
How well each article supported their points is a non-scientific analysis. Therefore, your conclusion is non-scientific.
You have learned about cells, but your learning, though the subject matter is scientific, is in itself a non-scientific procedure.
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Message 50 of 112 (243195)
09-14-2005 12:38 AM
Message 49 by tsig 09-13-2005 9:28 PM
Re: What are they?
If these 'things" are outside the scientific method, then they are unknowable by any ordinary application of the mind. Why should we care about them?
Most of what we care about is outside the scientific method. Does my wife love me, or not? Can we do a mind-probe on her and find out for sure?
Is the work I do worth a damn? Can we put that in a lab and find out?
Am I a good person? Any way to quantify that?
Have I done anything worth while on this earth?
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Message 51 of 112 (243202)
09-14-2005 12:58 AM
Message 50 by robinrohan 09-14-2005 12:38 AM
Have I done right by my children? More unscientific questions
Should I take this job or not?
Am I a fool?
What should I cook tonight?
Do I look good in this outfit?
Should I attend this meeting?
Why don't I have any luck?
Am I attractive?
Should I vote for this candidate?
Is life really worth living?
Should I pull the trigger, or not?
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Message 57 of 112 (243486)
09-14-2005 7:27 PM
Message 56 by tsig 09-14-2005 6:25 PM
Re: More unscientific questions
Almost all of your questions center on"I", therefore you are the only one who can answer them
That makes them unscientific. Otherwise, anyone with scientific knowledge could answer them. Nonetheless, such questions cover a large area of our lives.
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Message 61 of 112 (243529)
09-14-2005 9:11 PM
Message 60 by tsig 09-14-2005 8:32 PM
Re: More unscientific questions
Then how do you answer such questions?
I do it by fact-checking.
That's common sense, not scientific method.
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