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Topic: Evolution of Behavior
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igor_the_hero
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Message 31 of 39 (243159)
09-13-2005 10:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by crashfrog 09-13-2005 10:27 PM
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In the original copy of The Origins Of The Species, that is what Charles Darwin wrote. It may say differently in the revised editions. You can not deny that other scientists have said the same thing.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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quote: A man commits rape, that is because he felt the urge. Not once did society show itself there.
Are you honestly trying to say that culture has nothing to do with if a man feels he has the right to rape a women? What do we call men who has had a lot of sexual partners? What do we call a woman who has a lot of sexual partners?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Can you please quote the Origin Of Species (please include the page number) in which Darwin defines evolution as you describe?
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Interesting trivia
Darwin didn't use the word evolution in the first edition because of its implications of a progressive process. (He did use the word in the final paragraph, but this was in a different context). I am reading the first edition at the moment, I'll let you know if I find anything that supports your position.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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In the original copy of The Origins Of The Species, that is what Charles Darwin wrote. No, it's not.
You can not deny that other scientists have said the same thing. I can, and do.
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igor_the_hero
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Message 36 of 39 (243408)
09-14-2005 4:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog 09-14-2005 7:45 AM
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To move lower is entropy confirming creation. To move in the same direction would not be a change, just a descendant. To move higher is evolution.
If life wasn't meant to be lived then why is there death?
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Cal
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The delusion under which you are laboring has a history which predates Christianity. It is Aristotle's scala naturae, or: "Great chain of being", and is rejected by modern biologists as an imposition of human value systems on a value-free biological world. It is not hard to find it reflected in the language of naturalists in Darwin's time, and even today there are many (mostly laymen) who continue to make this error. I hope we can soon reach a point where this detail can be regarded as adequately addressed here, because I was sort of looking forward to seeing some actual discussion on the evolution of behavior (which was purported to be the topic of this thread).
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igor_the_hero
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Message 38 of 39 (243430)
09-14-2005 5:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 37 by Cal 09-14-2005 5:27 PM
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I apologize for bringing this so far off topic. I will withdraw from this post so as to cause no further argument on this subject.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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To move lower is entropy confirming creation. To move in the same direction would not be a change, just a descendant. To move higher is evolution. Entropy refers to changes in the energy content of systems. Changes in the morphology over successive generations of a population are not changes in entropy. But none of that really address the point I made in my post, which is, you are wrong to attribute your quote to Darwin; he never wrote what you said he did.
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