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riVeRraT
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Message 6 of 21 (231270)
08-09-2005 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by kongstad
08-03-2005 9:37 AM


Re: Snake venom
Well, I don't belong here, but I couldn't resist. I love science and all, but when I read something like this:
quote:
If the protein the gene produces is toxic to the prey, then the gene is selected for.
I ask myself who selects it?
Who determines that the venom is toxic to the pray?
And on the third day the snake created venom, and his mind saw that it was good, so it was night, and the day had past. On the fourth day, the snake imagined a hollowed out tooth, and he saw that it was good, and the snake said, make it so #1, so it was night, and the day had past.
All kidding aside, it is amazing.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 8 of 21 (231680)
08-09-2005 10:37 PM
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08-09-2005 11:11 AM


Re: Snake venom
I understand that, and that is in fact how it may have happened.
What is amazing to me is that it happened.
To be honest with you, I have a hard time believing or comprehending that this could happen by chance mutation. Which would make me believe snakes were either created, or created to evolve. I am still open minded about it.
It seems like to explain anything happening, we just throw the millions of years at it, and anything is possible.
Why would a snake develop something as complex and devestatingly effective as venom, yet still remain slithering on the ground?

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 10 of 21 (231721)
08-10-2005 6:44 AM
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08-09-2005 10:45 PM


Re: Snake venom
I just didn't know the answer to that. According to the article, many venemous snakes we thought weren't venemous actually are. So I am supposing that not all snakes are venemous.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 17 of 21 (243771)
09-15-2005 10:03 AM
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09-15-2005 12:13 AM


Re: Snake venom
Yes, I understand. I don't even really have a problem with evolution. I guess it is possible that we were created to evolve.
But due to the gaps in evolution, it makes me wonder.
Ever see a bacteria flagelum?
I look at it like this sometimes. We were created in his image. That means we probably do things similar to him. When we build things, we go in succession, starting from the simplest to the more complicated.
Either way that is not why I believe in God. God made himself known to me in a very powerful way. either that or I am nutz.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 18 of 21 (243789)
09-15-2005 10:31 AM
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09-15-2005 12:13 AM


Re: Snake venom
Yes, I understand. I don't even really have a problem with evolution. I guess it is possible that we were created to evolve.
But due to the gaps in evolution, it makes me wonder.
Ever see a bacteria flagelum?
I look at it like this sometimes. We were created in his image. That means we probably do things similar to him. When we build things, we go in succession, starting from the simplest to the more complicated.
Either way that is not why I believe in God. God made himself known to me in a very powerful way. either that or I am nutz.

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