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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: Because it isn't important. The reason I mentioned Sheehan is to demonstrate that no matter what Bush does, somebody somewhere will come out of the woodwork to censure him. I'm glad you agree Sheehan is a moonbat.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: No, but again it does show the lengths people will go to make that criticism.
quote: That would be the Bandwagon Fallacy.
quote: I don't have to, the claim that we are 'occupying' New Orleans is absurd on the face of it. That, by the way, is the only Sheehan charge that is relevant to this thread.
quote: And you didn't make an ad hominem attack on her when you asked 'why the fuck should I care what she says'? [Quoting Crashfrog] quote: Hey, if somehow you cannot criticize a grieving mom when she thrusts herself into the public spotlight to make a political point, I guess you need to work on your consistency, huh? This message has been edited by gene90, 09-19-2005 02:33 PM
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
Here we go, for those armchair FEMA types:
Today's 11 AM EDT forecast discussion for Tropical Storm Rita:
quote: Who wants to start predicting the apocalypse? (Please also read message 255 for greater context on Gulf hurricanes). Here is a link to the probabilistic wind chart (caution: experimental product). Page Not Found This message has been edited by gene90, 09-19-2005 03:02 PM
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: We could, but I don't think we have to. Because last night on CNN Headline News I saw Nagin asserting the fact that he is Mayor Nagin and the head of the Federal relief effort (I still don't remember his name) is overstepping his authority. Of course, now that there is a new tropical system in the Gulf Nagin sensibly says to get out. I think FEMA/DHS should change the wording of their mission statement. The Congress may expect them to lead but it looks to me like they weren't empowered to, especially since the local gov't of New Orleans has primary responsibility for the city itself.
quote: Okay. I hadn't heard about Federal but will take your word for it.
quote: "Before the storm hit" as in, on the 27th? That would mean you would really need to start moving on the 25th or 26th wouldn't it? I would point out that by the 28th they were in the evacuation centers in enough numbers to provide "food, shelter, security" requirements. The conditions did not deteriorate until later. By the way, are you going to send this many personnel into New Orleans every time there's a 20% chance of it being hit by a category 3 hurricane? Without following the usual procedure of the governor asking for it? (Remember, the armed forces have proven to be an essential part of the equation.) Are you going to create a proportional mobilization for the whole coast under hurricane warnings for a storm 48 hours away? (I'm guessing 48 hours because we don't know what a reasonable mobilization time is).
quote: The problem with that is that it takes precious time to move in "actual full resources" from somewhere else. That's really the point of the discussion. There's plenty of room for soul-searching and improvement over at FEMA these days, but sooner or later you have to realize that resources and mobility are finite, and that this disaster was an order of magnitude greater than what they have had to face in a long time. Or what you would reasonably have expected on the 27th. You can't practicably send in the kind of resources you need to answer a disaster like this every time a major hurricane is in the Gulf days before landfall.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
[Quoting RAZD]
quote: I am just going to point out that this story has been debunked. Here is Broussard starting the rumor:
quote: From WikiPedia:
quote: Aaron Broussard - Wikipedia I understand that Negligent Homicide charges are being filed on some owners of nursing homes who did not evacuate their residents. Further, the previous N.O. plan required them to have contracts with busing companies to be able to do so. The problem with evacuating the elderly is that you commonly have some of them die in transport. So if you get an Ivan or a Lili that doesn't hit New Orleans, it's pointless. I also thought I would add comments by Donna Brazile. You know, the person that ran Al Gore's 2000 campaign?
quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../16/AR2005091602167_pf.html Posturing? This message has been edited by gene90, 09-20-2005 06:37 PM
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
Meanwhile in Houston:
(c/o Michelle Malkin) And I thought people were saying it couldn't be done? This message has been edited by gene90, 09-21-2005 08:55 PM
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: We'll have to wait and see. Still, that 'harm's way' part didn't happen in NO. I haven't replied to your previous post, I think I agree with you.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: I've heard of that, I think that was off of Biloxi(?) Right, though, barrier islands are ephemeral. And some of them are mobile.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3845 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
quote: It'll last fifteen years, tops.
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