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Does god have free will?

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tsig
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10-13-2004 10:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 86 by coffee_addict
10-13-2004 9:54 PM

Re: Topic Drift Alert. possibly terminal
To answer your question that you raised in the other forum, I,m an ex-catholic seminarian, an ex-airman and an athiest. The earth is 4.6 billion years old and somewhere in the reducing atmosphere of the early earth a self-replication unit formed. The rest is history.
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10-13-2004 10:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 88 by coffee_addict
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Re: Topic Drift Alert. possibly terminal
You had asked a question of what kind a a jury one would want. My question was in the context of your question about the jury, maybe if you're guilty you might want a jury with less fact checking skills.
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10-13-2004 11:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 90 by AdminJar
10-13-2004 10:43 PM

Re: Is this about played out?
Seems like we're talking about everything except free will
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Free will is only possible without god. All religions demand the surrender of the will before we can see the truth.
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10-13-2004 11:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 95 by asciikerr
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Re: Right On-Right On...
His Blood could wash away our sins, instead of the sacrificial way the Jews did in the Old Testament.
Blood is exactly the way they did it in the old testament, so the new testament is also drenched in blood? If blood could wash away sins, we'd all be holy for surely you were born in your mother's blood.
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09-01-2005 7:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 95 by asciikerr
10-13-2004 11:12 PM

does god have free will
Does god have free will?
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If we say no, then god becomes a robot, with no choice but to create the universe and the whole plan of salvation.
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If yes, then God is not unchanging and could arbitrarily change the rules tomorrow and could commit sin.
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We could also say we don’t know, but that seems like dodging the question.
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I’m sure there are other possibilities.
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09-02-2005 7:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 99 by cavediver
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Re: does god have free will
As for free-will, it is a human concept, based upon our knowledge of linear single-threaded conciousness. It is suggested that my free-will is merely an illusion and is actually an emergent property of my highly non-linear, multi-processing but ultimately deterministic brain.
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Does God have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept.
So does God not have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept.
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Of course free will is a human concept, but then, so is god.
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If free will is an illusion how do we deal with the problem of evil?
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If human concepts do not apply to god then it is impossible to talk about god. This is the same as saying god does not exist.
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09-02-2005 7:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
10-17-2004 4:33 AM

Daddy
I have an odd way of looking at it. Adam and Eve were not so much kicked out of the Garden as the Garden was kicked out of them. That is when they really knew what Free Will was, when they did not live in Daddys Paradise any longer. What a limitless opportunity! We still have not found anything better than what Daddy wanted us to have all along, however.
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The qualities that are usually assigned to god, omnipotence, omniscience, etcetera, are qualities little children believe about their parents. It’s easy to see how the belief in an almighty father gives way to a belief in an Almighty Father.
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when they did not live in Daddys Paradise any longer. What a limitless opportunity!
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Please clarify, was Paradise the opportunity?
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09-25-2005 5:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 102 by Phat
09-25-2005 4:03 PM

Re: Daddy
Nah...just the previews.
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Never saw them.
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09-26-2005 6:54 PM

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Thanks for the reply, but I don't feel that a reply would help either one of us so goodby to this theread.
  
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