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Ben!
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Message 61 of 90 (247779)
09-30-2005 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Parasomnium
09-30-2005 5:05 PM


Re: Circular causality
I writes:
It's more like in EVERY instantiation of 2005, there's this note from the aliens. If it's here in ANY instantiation of 2005, then it was there for all versions.
OK, you're right, really awful wording. "Instantation" was more like "conscious experience of." Think of all time being static, consciousness is just a 3D volume inside the 4D spacetime. Like 2D is a plane through 3D.
Not sure if that clarifies things. My bad with the wording... anyway I'm sure you've heard such models before, I consider it my failure to communicate it well to you.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 62 of 90 (247787)
09-30-2005 6:00 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
{Added by edit: The message has disappeared. Is this what was meant with the message being "lost soon after its appearance"?}
I thought it was lost when the website stopped existing.
but I was able to retrieve the text from cache
Can't you just do that again?
This message has been edited by [omitted], 30-Sep-2005 05:38 PM
I guess [omitted] did it.

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arachnophilia
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Message 63 of 90 (247796)
09-30-2005 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Ben!
09-30-2005 4:08 PM


Re: Circular causality
It's more like in EVERY instantiation of 2005, there's this note from the aliens. If it's here in ANY instantiation of 2005, then it was there for all versions.
why are there multiple versions of a single instant in time? it happens once, and once only.
i tell you, bad scifi movies have caused all kinds of confusion, with first drafts of the past. first it happens one way, then we go back and change it, then the future's different. but it CAN'T happen that way. the past comes before the future, so if it happened in the past, it effects the future. there's no "null state" where the "change" had not happened, because there cannot be change. it either happens, or does not.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 64 of 90 (247799)
09-30-2005 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Omnivorous
09-30-2005 9:39 AM


Re: I was too obscure.
In response to the aliens' warning, we built a settlement--one settlement--on Mars; it was destroyed by an asteroid strike. Thus, "all our apes in one dome" like all our eggs in one basket.
So, instead of builing multiple settlements(which could be too difficult or expensive[because of the tax cuts]), all we have to do is prevent the asteroid from destroying the settlement. Then the earthlings all die and the marslings live on. The problem with this is that if the marslings live then they don't send the message and we end up not knowing about the asteroid in the first place, or do we?
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Omnivorous
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Message 65 of 90 (247812)
09-30-2005 7:40 PM
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09-30-2005 6:45 PM


Re: I was too obscure.
CS writes:
Then the earthlings all die and the marslings live on. The problem with this is that if the marslings live then they don't send the message and we end up not knowing about the asteroid in the first place, or do we?
I dunno but time travel paradoxes are fun.
Perhaps the alien message is a subtle trap: maybe we should spend our time and money on antiviral research instead of quarantined survivor zones--their message may have pushed efforts in the wrong direction.
OTOH, maybe we should just shrug, accept the fact that everything dies, and go on about our business. We have a sufficiency of addressable problems right here and now.

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Heathen
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Message 66 of 90 (247814)
09-30-2005 7:45 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
parasomnium writes:
Here is an interesting little story I found yesterday
Can I ask How you came across this story?

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roxrkool
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Message 67 of 90 (247854)
09-30-2005 11:16 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
So where's the message? Why was it deleted? Who's 'omitted?'

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arachnophilia
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Message 68 of 90 (247855)
09-30-2005 11:23 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
{Added by edit: The message has disappeared. Is this what was meant with the message being "lost soon after its appearance"?}
smartass. i think you wrote it!

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coffee_addict
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Message 69 of 90 (247864)
10-01-2005 12:28 AM


This is a message from the future. We arrived in your solar system in what would have been your year 9194, if your civilization had still existed. We found evidence of your existence on the third planet, which we have determined to have been your home planet. We also found remains of your civilization on the fourth planet and on your moon. In the databanks of one of your moonbases, which were much better preserved than anything we found on your homeplanet, our scientists discovered a message from the last remaining humans. After deciphering it, we decided to use technology we have developed to manipulate information through time to relay the message back to their ancestors in the past, i.e. you. The human message is as follows:
quote:
Quote:
In 2005, the earth received a "message from the future", which contained a warning that humanity would be wiped out by a viral pandemic in 2114. It took a while before the message was taken seriously and resulted in an international effort to start a human colony on Mars. In 2076 the first settlement on Mars was established. In just over three decades it expanded to a city-sized colony, containing about 23,000 people. About two and a half years ago, however, it was devastated by an asteroid impact. There were only 17 survivors, all of them from a well sheltered hospital. Without resources and with no time left to start another viable colony off earth before the predicted pandemic, they got to a space station in orbit around Mars, awaiting rescue. Earth launched a mission to retrieve them and they made it back to earth in six months time. Then, in december 2113, the viral infection started. It all happened so quickly that by mid march 2114, more than half of the world's population had died. We have sought desparately for a cure, but there was too little time and none was found before it was too late. The pandemic did indeed wipe out humanity. We are the last humans, we number only 11 now, and all of us are infected.
The only way out for humanity we can think of at this point, is to realise that we originally became aware of what awaited us, via a message from the future. The message itself was somehow lost very soon after it first appeared on what was then called the 'internet'. But the stories about the message have become part of our cultural history, and folklore has it that the original message was somehow sent back in time, by aliens who discovered the traces of our civilization. We think that if we leave a message ourselves, it might be found by these aliens. In fact, we think this is the original message. We will beam this message to one of our automated data facilities on the moon, where we think it will have the best chance of ever being found.
If this message reaches our ancestors back in 2005, we urge them to analyse what has happened and to somehow try and avert the disaster.

  
Brad McFall
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Message 70 of 90 (248015)
10-01-2005 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Parasomnium
09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
This might help you in not omitting what I had said. These are some notes for a paper in English class I am next to write. In the end I will to think that I can show within Kant's use of "spirit" how databasenormalization does ply the four figure subtility FROM any list of a fish, an amphibian, a reptile and a bird/mammal. That is rather ambitious and I have not it writtenyet but I think& in the future etc I will make it through all the Swift hoops looped I hope in the process of the same pattern I have always made here on EvC.

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Parasomnium
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Message 71 of 90 (248303)
10-02-2005 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by arachnophilia
09-30-2005 11:23 PM


Smartass
arachnophilia writes:
smartass. i think you wrote it!
Let's suppose I did. Would that solve the riddle? I don't think so. I still haven't seen a post from anyone telling us how to avoid this disaster, when the solution, I can tell you, is staring us right in the face.
So, let's see if anyone can spot the clue and solve the riddle. Is the message causing the problem, or isn't it? Must we, or must we not build the Mars colony? What is causing the plague?
The prize for the right answer is a Post Of The Month nomination, with extra points for eloquence, at my discretion, in case there are more contestants.
(So yes, I did write it.)

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arachnophilia
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Message 72 of 90 (248307)
10-02-2005 6:40 PM
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10-02-2005 6:35 PM


Re: Smartass
(So yes, I did write it.)
i figured you did. you didn't seem happy when i said it was poorly written that and you seemed to know something we don't --
Is the message causing the problem, or isn't it?
i saw no indication it was causing much of anything.

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Parasomnium
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Message 73 of 90 (248310)
10-02-2005 6:46 PM
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10-02-2005 6:40 PM


Re: Smartass
arachnophilia writes:
you didn't seem happy when i said it was poorly written
I must admit that it hurt. It was a tactical mistake to react to it. I think the fact that you made a grammatical error yourself in the very remark about it, was the straw.

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arachnophilia
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Message 74 of 90 (248313)
10-02-2005 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Parasomnium
10-02-2005 6:46 PM


Re: Smartass
I think the fact that you made a grammatical error yourself in the very remark about it, was the straw.
all in good fun. i find it best not to take myself TOO seriously -- i write rather poorly myself, and i'm well aware of that fact. i'm particularly bad with typing the words in the head my accurately. i tend to leave things out.
but i wasn't trying to be mean -- had no idea you wrote it. sorry.

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Parasomnium
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Message 75 of 90 (248315)
10-02-2005 6:59 PM
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10-02-2005 6:50 PM


Re: Smartass
but i wasn't trying to be mean -- had no idea you wrote it. sorry.
That's all right, no harm done. I'm a bit sensitive when it comes to my English, I tend to want it to be perfect. I was rather excited about the whole idea of this hoax, and I guess that made me post it prematurely, before it had gone through my customary (thorough) revision ritual.

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