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Author Topic:   Does god have free will?
b b
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Message 104 of 128 (246372)
09-25-2005 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by tsig
09-25-2005 5:02 PM


Re: Daddy
The bible tells us who god is exactly. We just make interpretations of what we think he is because we can't understand what is written. My belief is that God does have free will. He won't change his mind because he knows what he want and anything he does not want is sin. He gives us free will, but since he knows all; he knows what we will choose and waits for us to choose before he acts. I believe the visions given to us, for example, in revelations are plainly telling us he already knows the Alpha and Omega. No limitations at all on his actions because who could dare think of judging him? He is the ruler/creator of all that was, is, and will be.

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b b
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Message 106 of 128 (246387)
09-25-2005 9:25 PM
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09-25-2005 8:55 PM


Re: Daddy
Good and Evil is cuz he said what was good and what was evil. Obey him or you are evil. That's a harsh way of looking at the truth.

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b b
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Message 113 of 128 (247162)
09-29-2005 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Phat
09-26-2005 4:41 AM


Re: Daddy
Hey, bb...welcome to EvC.. who taught you about God?
initially my parents/church. I was very good in science(did well from grade school to college). I did not major in science so I'm not proclaiming to be an expert or anything. I do have, however, an excellent basic understanding of it and a genuine interest in it. All of my life experiences, not only what's above, lead me to my own ideas/beliefs in God which are different from that of my parents, church, and science.
WHO TAUGHT YOU ABOUT SCIENCE? Newton? Darwin? Or are you one of the only ones to learn science from coming up with your own ideas and experiments to test every theory that you, yourself came up with. (I know you're not supposed to end with a preposition, but I like to) You may not agree, but science is a religion also. Mans own religion based on teachings of early scientists. AND YOU ARE THE DISCIPLES.
2) Where is God right now?
HOW THE HELL DO I KNOW?
3) Do we have to go to church?
If I remember correctly, the bible says it's good to fellowship(not in those exact words). In order to be "saved" you must simply confess with your mouth your belief that Jesus (the son of God) died for your sins and rose again. Basically, I believe it's saying you must genuinely believe in God and his son. That's it. So my answer is no, I don't think you HAVE TO go to chuch; but it's there to help you stay focused. God knew that people generally are what they hang around. Hang with crooks-you may steal
Hang with devoted followers of christ or your religion - you most likely will stay strong longer.
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b b
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Message 114 of 128 (247165)
09-29-2005 2:35 AM
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09-26-2005 8:19 AM


Re: Daddy
schraf. . . .
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil
that statement does not say
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become one of us.
we became like them (God and his angels who may be called in some religions gods-there is most of the times one God over the rest. ex Zeus) in that we know good from evil. we have the ability to know good and evil; God has the ability to set/change what is good and evil(not that he will change but can). Angels also know good and evil, but only god says what is good and evil. He decided in the beginning what was good and evil.
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever
and now, unless he reach out to me, and eat of my fruit, and live forever;
Is this the end of the sentence or did you just happen to leave out the rest?
So, now do you agree that humans, since Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, have exactly the same ability to know Good from Evil as God?
No, because I can read and understand what I'm reading. Newton's law(I think it's Newton but really don't care) of {what goes up must come down} would not be interpreted to say anything about what goes sideways. Only up. Therefore, it says at a literal interpretation
The man is similar to us in that he knows good and evil.
What was your grade in English? I think it's very convenient how you made both of these say what you want it to say. But most people do this. That's how you get so many religions that use the same bible. For some reason I think you are purposely giving almost correct info. Just tell me what comes after "live forever"
(caps mine)
And therefore can MAN judge God's actions or inaction as Good or Evil?
Answer two questions truthfully for me please, and I'll answer yours. If God comes to earth in the next five minutes and it's without a shadow of a doubt who he is, would you tell him he was wrong for such and such. And if for some reason you are one of the ones who would do this, how would you punish him?
I think everyone knows what you would really do; I just want to see if you would admit it or weasel out of the questions. Your answer to my questions should reveal my answer to yours. Can a man judge God? People do it everyday when they hate God for taking someone or letting them be taken away. Can you actually pass judgement/punishment on God? If you try please e-mail me before, so I can get my camcorder and record the funniest reality show ever created. "Morons on Fire" I think it has a nice ring to it. It'll probably be hard to get a new contestant though.

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b b
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Message 116 of 128 (247169)
09-29-2005 3:16 AM
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09-29-2005 2:41 AM


Re: Daddy
(PARENTHESIS MINE)
So if this "God" fellow (My God is not a fellow as if to humanize him) apparated into your living room and commanded you to slay your neighbor you would?
No. See above parenthesis for explanation.
If the one and only God told me to kill everybody, I would be the "God's Hand" serial killer. Someone in the Bible (don't know for sure who so I won't say) was willing to kill his own son because God said so. I will admit I am a little selfish. I would care more about sparring my own soul than to spare my neighbors life, even if I was good friends with my neighbor. Also kamakazee, in my opinion, would be an insane act, unless the actor had religious instruction or believed to have had religious instruction. This message has been edited by b b, 09-29-2005 03:30 AM
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b b
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Message 123 of 128 (248762)
10-04-2005 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by nator
10-02-2005 9:45 AM


Re: Daddy
Yes, you can, in your mind, judge whether his actions are right or not; I'm just saying your opinion of this does not effect the universe. His does.
God basically does what he feels to be right. This does not mean what we think to be right. "Thou shalt not kill" means man should not kill each other. This does not say it would be wrong for God to take someone or allow them to be taken. His commandments were for people. He may reserve certain actions, like retiring lives, for himself. Is that so hard to get. If you believe it or not; that's you. But it does make sense even as a theory. (which is exactly what big bang and evolution are)
Punishment? If God is all powerful, yet not all-loving, then I don't think there's much I'd be able to do to. It would just be a cruel, vengeful Evil God who's will would be done
Vengence is mine. Ever remember that in the bible? I just don't agree with the cruel and evil part. The bible clearly states him to be vengeful I believe. Doesn't it?

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b b
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Message 124 of 128 (248763)
10-04-2005 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by DrJones*
09-29-2005 3:38 AM


Re: Daddy
It was Abraham, you claim to be christian and yet don't know this?
That wasn't in my requirements for becoming a christian. Let me see yours. Maybe I have the outdated version? Let me see.
So you admit to being a sociopath.
No, because for some strange reason he never asked me to kill anyone. Moron
No I wouldn't, I'd tell your mythical being to go
Idiot, do you talk to mythical beings? "If" (which did start the question) he appeared in front of you and told you to kill yourself, he's no longer a mythical being. What you really look in the face of God and tell him what you just said? I bet there's plenty of humans you would be to cowardly to say that too. Really and truly you probably can only talk big and bold on a forum. Tell it to your boss-he'll fire you. Tell it to God-He'll "fire" you permanently. Please don't be foolish.

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