Did Adam and eve really have a choice?

modulus writes:I would like to see if you have any basis for your belief that most people would rather work most days, and ceaselessly struggle, just to keep them and their family alive than to live in paradise. Bare very keenly in mind that America is not most people...the wages are quite high, so many people don't have to work so hard to keep alive. Most people are not in that position.

Schraff writes:God needlessly set up humanity to fail, like rats in a science experiments.

creavolution,post#1,regarding the fall writes: Following from a previous thread, Christians on this site have given me this impression:
God created adam and Eve, with all their inherant flaws, God recognised these flaws insofar as he knew what choice they would make when approached by the serpent. i.e. He knew that they would fall.My question is:why set this chain of events in motion in the first place if he knew so much suffering would come from it? why set things up as they were/are when, as an all powerful Creator. He could have tweaked a few things here or there to prevent the Fall and hence all the suffering in the world. He sat Idly by and watched it unfold. How can anyone worship such a being other than through fear of further cruelty? I think someone already used the Battered wife analogy... very apt. Iano says that
We were born on a default path to hell. But Adam and Eve weren't so shackled. Oh but they were.... God knew their weakness... God designed them with this weakness... God placed them in the Garden of Eden with the Tree. God knew what choice they would make... they were pawns in a game, characters in a play, doomed to play out what had been written. they were most certainly shackled. shackled to the speeding train which would become the trainwreck that is Humanity.Iano writes:
Lotto numbers will be pulled on Saturday evening in Ireland. If you could see the future would it affect the numbers that are pulled or are you just seeing it happen before it happens? If I designed/built the machine and the lotto balls knowing that a certain sequence of numbers would certainly pop out given the right circumstances (which I ensured came about). then it would most certainly affect the outcome. Yes. I believe (within the assumption that genesis is truth) from the moment of Design that choice was removed. there was only one course of action that would happen. God knew this. Yet he still let it happen. If God is so desperate for our love he could have it, easily. But he chose this world, this way, this humanity. And he seeks to blame us for it...I contend that this God is not a loving God. he is a cruel and sadistic god.

Iano writes:What has suffering and cruelty to do with this discussion. It has been about free-will has it not?Somehow the Crevolution tag has lost it's lustre.