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Topic: Fallacies.. a new one?
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Another way to describe it would be "the desire to belong to a group of 'wise pioneers', who will later turn out to have been the first to go against an existing tide of ignorance" so, all of contemporary art then?  You know, that's not a bad example at all, lol
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Re: Good one!
Not sure I should consider this positive  The post was only PARTLY tongue-in-cheek... I'm REALLY after my 15 minutes of fame.
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Message 18 of 28 (245116)
09-20-2005 8:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Annafan
09-20-2005 7:56 AM
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Fifteen minutes...
You got it, if I can help it: I, Parasomnium, hereby support Annafan's claim of being the first to discover the "Smartass Falacy", even of the original argument for its existence is itself an example of said "Smartass Falacy". Satisfied? This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 20-Sep-2005 01:24 PM
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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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No, just Sy Twombly
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Re: Fifteen minutes...
I, Parasomnium, hereby support Annafan's claim of being the first to discover the "Smartass Falacy", even of the original argument for its existence is itself an example of said "Smartass Falacy". Satisfied? LOL It is a self-producing fallacy... (and I didn't even notice) My discovery becomes better as time goes by. I'll share credit with you. ;-)
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Message 21 of 28 (245125)
09-20-2005 9:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Annafan
09-20-2005 8:38 AM
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Re: Fifteen minutes...
I guess it was to be expected. What else do you get when you put a Belgian and a Dutchman together, but a joke?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 22 of 28 (245854)
09-23-2005 1:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 19 by nator
09-20-2005 8:28 AM
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No, just Cy Twombly no no, i like that kind of stuff. i'm thinking more like paul mccarthy.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 23 of 28 (245855)
09-23-2005 1:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Annafan
09-20-2005 7:53 AM
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You know, that's not a bad example at all, lol especially not if you're trying to get your bachelors of fine arts right now. god these contemporary nuts piss me off. it has to be new and exciting or it's worthless -- skill doesn't matter, just as long as you're the first person to do it. who cares about meaning or even interest. does it look like you threw junk you found laying around together? good! is about something but totally devoid of actual content? a+! can you make an empty concept sound witty or impressive or new, even if it's the same old trite garbage? you'll do well here...
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Yup... History will sort them out I guess  Remember that Van Gough also only sold one painting while he was still alive, though. lol
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 25 of 28 (245904)
09-23-2005 9:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Annafan
09-20-2005 7:51 AM
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It is not just "Appeal to Novelty", because an essential component is that it should not be widely known. So its a special case of Appeal to Novelty? I haven't seen anything here to convince me that isn't an appeal to novelty with a motivation thrown in.
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Message 26 of 28 (245932)
09-23-2005 10:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Modulous
09-23-2005 9:22 AM
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It is not just "Appeal to Novelty", because an essential component is that it should not be widely known. So its a special case of Appeal to Novelty? I haven't seen anything here to convince me that isn't an appeal to novelty with a motivation thrown in. No matter where I read about "Appeal to Novelty", it is always defined as an appeal to something that is NEW. Appealing to Tradition Fallacy "The fallacy of an appeal to novelty occurs whenever someone attempts to base a conclusion on how new, recent or "fresh" something is. This is common in advertising - entire marketing campaigns are designed around the goal of getting potential customers to believe that the product is new and therefore worth having." Maybe I gave a couple of examples that weren't ideal, and that causes the confusion. The "Smartass Fallacy" is meant to appeal to the exclusiveness of information, the hard to get-factor. Not necessarily to the fact that something is newer or information is more recent. I should think of some better examples... It guess it goes more in the direction of an opposite of "Bandwagon fallacy". This message has been edited by Annafan, 23-09-2005 04:00 PM
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 27 of 28 (249034)
10-05-2005 8:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 26 by Annafan
09-23-2005 10:56 AM
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Appeal to exclusivity - it has a nice ring to it.
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Annafan
Member (Idle past 4600 days) Posts: 418 From: Belgium Joined: 08-08-2005
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Message 28 of 28 (249075)
10-05-2005 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Modulous
10-05-2005 8:20 AM
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Birth of a new meme...
Appeal to exclusivity - it has a nice ring to it I see the meme has started off. Let's see how well it does "Black Hole" was even catchier, though.
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