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metatron
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Message 1 of 143 (24838)
11-28-2002 6:05 PM


The catholic church is sending missionaries to african countries suffering in the current aids epidemic too "educate" the populace about the evil of contraception.
If ever there was definative proof of the non-existance of god its the sick shit that gets done in his name. Any bead jigglers care to defend this?.

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metatron
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Message 9 of 143 (24860)
11-28-2002 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by gene90
11-28-2002 8:23 PM


To gene90 they are saying "Use condoms and burn in hell".

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metatron
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Message 10 of 143 (24863)
11-28-2002 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by mark24
11-28-2002 8:26 PM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
This is why I'd like to see a cite, before we all get uptight!
Mark

A BBC world service african corespondent, commenting on work being carried out by the international red cross who's members were concerned about foriegn aid agencies competing rather than cooperating.

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metatron
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Message 13 of 143 (24903)
11-29-2002 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Quetzal
11-29-2002 2:38 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Quetzal:
Metatron:
That's an ugly accusation. I'd ask you to provide a substantive cite that can be double checked before accepting that this is true. Much as I disagree with the theist worldview, and question the competence, motivation, utility and even the net negative effect of some (much?) missionary work - especially in sub-Saharan Africa, having seen some of it at first hand - without unbiased data to back your claim I'm inclined to reject it as bigoted ranting. I find it highly unlikely that the primary (or even tertiary...) motivation of any missionary group is to "teach the evil of contraception". The off-hand "BBC correspondent" comment doesn't constitute a useful source citation. Care to try again?

I can't supply you with an online link, however I will contact colleague's in internetional red cross and they can speak for themselves.

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metatron
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Message 15 of 143 (24909)
11-29-2002 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by David unfamous
11-29-2002 6:42 AM


quote:
Originally posted by David unfamous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1465326.stm
In a statement at the end of their week-long conference in Pretoria, the bishops argued that the battle against HIV/Aids should be fought on moral grounds and said condoms helped spread the disease.

Thank you for that David Unfamous. Its not the news item I was referring to but is right on target nontheless. I did not know the catholic church was actively lying about condoms spreading aids. They no doubt regard lying for god as a moral act, thankfully they can no longer burn us for speaking out against their barbarity.

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metatron
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Message 18 of 143 (24919)
11-29-2002 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Quetzal
11-29-2002 7:30 AM


There's been some complaints about my terminology, go to a moderated forum.
[This message has been edited by Metatron, 11-29-2002]

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metatron
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Message 25 of 143 (25150)
12-01-2002 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Brad McFall
12-01-2002 1:52 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Brad McFall:
Well ? WHAT is the Point?
When in 87 after having dinner with a person in Gallos DC lab I flew to HEART OF DARKNESS only to get off the plane in Kin-s-a to find some AIDS SCIENTISTS in the same cab as we went INTO the city. They explained to me on the drive (that was to really be but another flight to MBANDAKA (for me)) pointing out the window that aids is there- finger- there - finger etc when actually denoting PEOPLE not virus. I found MISSIONARIES there who admitted (I admit) messed with the native brain since these people were worshiping with soda pop caps in a bottles for percussion instruments but they did NOT mess with the disease. It was the Missioniaries who were taking CARE of the sick. No one else was doing it. NOt even the Gov which got $$ from US banks etc. THE RELIGION IN AFRICA IS NOT TO BLAME.
What Provine had just told us the semester before was that it was OK to use CONDEMS in CHINA even though the people didnt want them!
Ditto GENE()!!90

Is there any relevant information in this, I went cross eyed trying to decypher it.

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metatron
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Message 36 of 143 (25440)
12-04-2002 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Brad McFall
12-04-2002 10:40 AM


Brad what has any of that got to do with the church banning (and preaching against) the use of condoms in a country with an aids problem of epidemic proportions.

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metatron
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Message 40 of 143 (25613)
12-05-2002 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by benzai
12-05-2002 2:34 PM


Dont lay your hangups on us. I gaurantee that if you attempt to stay all your life with one partner having had no others eventually you both will start to wonder what else life can offer. Trust me I am a normal person with no religious programming and a healthy sex life. Nobody has claimed that the church triggered aids, we condem the fact that
they have banned the use of condoms in a country with a STD problem
they are telling people condoms spread aids
they are telling people contraception will send them to hell

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metatron
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Message 44 of 143 (25624)
12-05-2002 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by funkmasterfreaky
12-05-2002 4:06 PM


I hope you are not referring to the easily averted deaths of millions as an unimportant thing. If you want examples of stumbling blocks to unbelievers start with the crusades/whitch trails/eradication of druidism/persecution of anyone not in your church and dont forget institutionalised child molestation.

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metatron
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Message 60 of 143 (26413)
12-12-2002 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by funkmasterfreaky
12-12-2002 9:13 AM


The bible's a badly translated copy of early myths, what possible relevance does it have to an aids epidemic?. Would you consider cave paintings to be a rational basis for modern morality, they are no more or less reliable as sources of information go.

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metatron
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Message 77 of 143 (27185)
12-18-2002 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by gene90
12-17-2002 12:12 AM


This is a copy of an e-mail sent out by planned parenthood.
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The Fifth Asia and Pacific Population Conference closed today with a resounding victory for reproductive health and rights. Despite the heavy handed tactics of the U.S. delegation, Asia-Pacific countries rejected the Bush Administration's anti-health and anti-women agenda. In an effort to advance their agenda to overturn laws and policies that protect reproductive freedom, the Bush Administration made explicit their position that life begins at conception, attempting to pave the way for eliminating access to abortion in the U.S. and around the world. U.S. proposals to water down sex education, promote abstinence until marriage as the centerpiece of HIV/AIDS prevention efforts, and undermine efforts to prevent unsafe abortions and its consequences were met with resounding opposition.
Throughout the week, senior officials from countries as diverse as India, Pakistan, China, Turkey, Fiji, New Zealand, Iran, Indonesia and the Philippines spoke forcefully against the Bush Administration. In the end, every nation spoke one-by-one opposing each of the Bush Administration's anti-health proposals and stood united in their support of reproductive health and rights for the world's citizens.
For more information read Planned Parenthood's press release or
Yahoo's press release.
Attention Required! | Cloudflare
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Isn't america the "civilized" one?.
[This message has been edited by Metatron, 12-18-2002]

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metatron
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Message 82 of 143 (27574)
12-21-2002 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by funkmasterfreaky
12-20-2002 8:19 PM


If you don't like it go do something about it. What are you doing for those suffering in Africa? How many "toys" do you have? Take the plank out of your own eye before you go chasing after someone elses speck.
Military peacekeeping service keeping different religious factions away from each others throats has been my contribution. Whats yours?.

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metatron
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Message 87 of 143 (28055)
12-29-2002 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by funkmasterfreaky
12-22-2002 11:50 PM


Oh btw, don't give me this "war is religions fault" crap, what a weak cop out, economics has more to do with this than anything.
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So when muslims fill mass graves with christians in bosnia its "economic" is it. And when christians ethnically cleanse an area thats "economic" too. The israeli's destroying palestinian settlements whilst building their own in defiance of un resolutions is "economic".
The attack on the world trade centre certainly had an economic effect but that was a side effect of attacking an american symbol on american soil.
Religion is the single greatest cause of pain and suffering the world has ever known.
I'll tell you what is "economic" the behavior of the vatican bank for the last few hundred years.

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metatron
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Message 95 of 143 (28442)
01-05-2003 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by gene90
01-02-2003 2:01 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by gene90:
[B]
quote:
Isn't america the "civilized" one?.
This isn't about civility this about the law forcing me to pay for somebody elses' abortion in some Pacific Rim country. Now why should I have to pay for it when I don't even believe abortion is necessarily morally acceptable?
Nobodies asking america to pay out gene we are asking america not to use economic and political pressure to inflict their backward religious preconceptions on the world.

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