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Quetzal
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Message 12 of 143 (24896)
11-29-2002 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by metatron
11-28-2002 6:05 PM


Metatron:
That's an ugly accusation. I'd ask you to provide a substantive cite that can be double checked before accepting that this is true. Much as I disagree with the theist worldview, and question the competence, motivation, utility and even the net negative effect of some (much?) missionary work - especially in sub-Saharan Africa, having seen some of it at first hand - without unbiased data to back your claim I'm inclined to reject it as bigoted ranting. I find it highly unlikely that the primary (or even tertiary...) motivation of any missionary group is to "teach the evil of contraception". The off-hand "BBC correspondent" comment doesn't constitute a useful source citation. Care to try again?

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Quetzal
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Message 17 of 143 (24914)
11-29-2002 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by metatron
11-29-2002 7:04 AM


Damn, that's sickening. Okay, Metatron, I stand corrected. The statement by the Synod was really, really stupid. At least there was one Bishop that cared more for his people than for the proscriptions of some reprehensible policy invented by a bunch of caucasians in Italy as a way of increasing their tax revenues.
On the other hand, there is some weak support on a few of the links provided in the article David cited that indicates the Bishops are trying to push abstinence (good luck, wrong culture). Also, that it wasn't missionaries - these are homegrown idiots. That doesn't change the basic point, of course. Worse, in some ways, is the statement by South African President Mbeke that he isn't convinced HIV causes AIDS! Wonder what percentage of his population he'll have to lose before he becomes "convinced"? Shows what ignorance of science'll get you. Theists take note.
[Edited to add: I'd still like to hear what your friends in the ICRC have to say, if possible. Just makes me even more glad I'm not a theist.]
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Quetzal
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Message 79 of 143 (27309)
12-19-2002 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Jovianboy
12-18-2002 7:35 PM


JB:
In defense of this particular BB, if you look around a bit I think you will find that there are quite a few on the evo side who are Christians, beginning with the almighty Admin himself. Few posters on the evo side make the error of conflating "Christian" with "creationist". We also have several Moslems on either side of the divide - one evo, one died-in-the-wool creationist, one on the fence, and one I-have-no-idea-but-it's-pretty-strange. Also, the moderating on this board is some of the fairest I have seen anywhere on the 'net.
Having said that, there ARE posters on the evo side who have significant axes to grind with Christianity itself. And there are others who, while questioning Christianity and/or other religious beliefs, do so primarily because it's an interesting exercise. They're fairly easy to identify. We also get the random drive-by "eviluyton is bad cuz God sayd so in the bible" Christians. It is, after all, a public board.
I hope you choose to register and stick around. It is one of the more interesting boards I've discovered dealing with the evo-cre debate. Fresh input is always valuable.

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Quetzal
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Message 84 of 143 (27712)
12-23-2002 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by funkmasterfreaky
12-20-2002 8:19 PM


Just out of curiosity, Funk, your reply had what to do with my post?

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Quetzal
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Message 86 of 143 (27717)
12-23-2002 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by funkmasterfreaky
12-23-2002 4:26 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Sorry Quetzal it didn't have anything to do with your post. I was just looking through the topic list, and was struck with what the title of this thread seemed to be suggesting.
Okay. Just a bit confused there. BTW: I agreed with your post, earlier in the thread, which was what was even more confusing.
Unfortunately, dogma (in this case the RCC's unbending, midieval, extra-biblical stance on prophylactics) appears to be winning out over reason in this particular instance, however. There is no one single solution to Africa's AIDS pandemic - like so many other things, it will require multiple approaches to solve. The RCC's position is not helpful, and might even be harmful. I think that's what underlies the basic disagreement you see on this thread.

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