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Message 11 of 128 (248044)
10-01-2005 8:36 PM

Reply to: Message 7 by TheLiteralist
09-30-2005 5:15 PM

Re: Quote Mining in the extreme

TL writes:

I think my argument still stands that many evos (and probably even creos) are oversimplifying the problem by focusing on changes needed in the physical features...when the focus should be on changes needed in the DNA.

I don't think anyone is oversimplifying the evolutionary process, except perhaps creos. The thing is the kind changes (DNA vs physical) that required when a population evolved is obvious to some of us already.

For example, take a look at the following tarantulas.

Though these two look very alike, they are two completely different species of tarantulas. They are even more different from each other than a horse and a donkey. They are so different that they can't even reproduce with each other at all.

Since I'm an arachnid collector, I have run across some species that are physically identical to another, yet they are different species and can't procreate with each other at all.

Like I said, this kind of thing is obvious to us. I don't think I hae run across a coherent person of science that actually thought physical outlook was all there was to it.

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Message 13 of 128 (248410)
10-03-2005 3:12 AM

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10-03-2005 2:48 AM

Re: non-mating tarantulas

TL writes:

Okay. It's sort of a side issue...more along the lines of "what defines a species." Do you know whether anyone has tried to create offspring from two non-mating tarantula species through artificial insemination?

Noone has tried simply because it won't work. Those two aren't even in the same genus. Just because they look alike doesn't mean it will work.

Sometimes the "no procreation" boundary between species is more of a cultural type thing (for instance, the members of the other species may be the "wrong" color). I'm just wondering if that has been ruled out.

Like I said, they as as different to each other as a dog and a cat.

Or, is it that the different species will mate but just can't produce offspring?

Sometimes some members of some species will mate. They either produce sterile offsprings or they don't produce anything at all.

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Message 15 of 128 (249196)
10-05-2005 5:53 PM

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10-03-2005 6:01 AM

Re: non-mating tarantulas

Yes, it has been confirmed by hobbyists that you can't breed those. Can you imagine the kind of money making market if they could have hybrids like that? I mean, the one on top is a thailand black which sells for around 50 bucks or so. The one on the bottom is a bird-eater (yes, they have been known to eat live birds and small mammals like rats and stuff). That one sells for about 90 to 120 bucks each. Just imagine the kind of money breeders would make if they could breed some hybrids. Why don't they do this? It's because it's impossible.

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Message 17 of 128 (266391)
12-07-2005 1:02 PM

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12-07-2005 12:57 PM

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

Dude, learn the theory first before you criticize it.

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Message 33 of 128 (266502)
12-07-2005 4:37 PM

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12-07-2005 2:09 PM

Re: I think it's essential that Christianity be covered in secular schools...

Carico writes:

o how did we "evolve" from an ape if we are not its descendants?

We did not evolve from ape. Learn the freaking theory first.

And how can we be its descendants if it cannot produce human descendants?

Learn the theory first.

Last I heard, mating between parents is what produces descendants.

Learn the theory first.

So which 2 beasts mated to produce a creature that turned into a human being and how was that possible?

Learn the theory first.

I know that evolutionists call this creature a "common ancestor". So if it's common to humans and animals, it must be half-man, half beast.

Learn the theory first.

Or was it half-bird, half beast?

Learn the theory first.

Or does no one know since it's still missing? Too many unanswered questions and contradictions for evolution to be considered plausible.

Learn the theory first.

All of your questions above demonstrate a gross misunderstanding and ignorance of the theory of evolution. It's like me asking the question, "do you still beat your wife?"

You could begin by legitimately asking questions rather than spouting your ignorance around. When you are ready for a serious discussion, tell us.

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