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nator
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Message 87 of 112 (247112)
09-28-2005 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by b b
09-28-2005 2:28 AM


Re: I don't get it at all
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Also, I do believe the bible is literal. If it said a "dog flew," I wouldn't take it as a metaphor.
So how often do you drink deadly poison with no ill-effects??
When was the last time you touched someone with your hands and cured them of a disease?

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nator
Member (Idle past 2190 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 92 of 112 (247211)
09-29-2005 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by b b
09-29-2005 12:40 AM


Re: I don't get it at all
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I wouldn't do that.
Why wouldn't you heal people by laying your hands on them? That's something that all of Jesus' followers are able to do so that all people can see how powerful your religion is. It's part of what Jesus' followers are supposed to do to spread the religion. The same goes for drinking poison without harm.
...that is, if you take the Bible as literally true, like you said you did.
I mean, where do you think those Christian TV faith healers get the idea that laying their hands upon someone could heal that person's gall bladder cancer?
Where do you think those Charismatics got the idea they should be playing with poisonous snakes during their Sunday services?
Tell me how you would read the following passage. Remember, you said that if the bible said there were flying dogs, that you would believe it:
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
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There are tribes that do a lot of things of that nature such as firewalking and probably drinking various potions.
Do you mean "tribes" like "Chrisitan sects"?
Like the ones who "speak in tongues", handle poisonous snakes, and perform so-called "faith healings" on national TV?
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I beleive if it is God's will(being that I do believe he is the creator and that his will controls everything)for one to survive the poison one will.
According to the Bible, one only has to be a believer and you should be able to remain unharmed after drinking any deadly thing. It doesn't say you will "recover" or merely "survive".
I thought you said you believed the Bible literally? It seems you have never read this part very closely.
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I don't know his will so I would not chance it.
What do you mean? His will is quite clear to me in the passage above.
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My bible also tells me not to tempt God.
But it is God's clear diretive that His followers, those who believe in Him, will be able to do these things, and are, in fact, required to do these things as signs that God is with them and to impress potential converts that this new religion was the real one.
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I take that literal too. Tempt - as in purposely drinking poison
But the bible very clearly says that believers will be able to do these things. It doesn't say "some believers", or "a few". It just says that all people will be able to identify these believers by various signs.
Are you not a believer, or is the Bible wrong?
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I don't know if this is the intended meaning or just an interpretation of what is, but I would not chance it being that I don't fully understand this.
What's ambiguous about that passage?
It seems that in a straightforward, literal reading of it that any believer should be able to drink any deadly thing without harm, and also be able to heal the sick by laying hands upon them.
Are you telling me that God wouldn't approve of you healing the sick, that it would be "tempting" him to help those in pain?
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My ignorance here is why I would not try it; not that it does not mean what it says.
Look, I don't think that you have to be afraid of healing somebody.
It's a power that all of you believers are supposed to have.
...that is, if you take the Bible literally.

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nator
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Message 93 of 112 (249287)
10-05-2005 9:39 PM


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