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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Yaro
You previously stated
I can see this as an option, but that eternal thing is contingent on existence. There is no all-powerfull, trancendent thing. To be transcendant is to have no location in spacetime and a substance that cannot be differentiated from nothing at all. Hence to be be a thing in the usual sense of the word is not possible for that which is transcendent?
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bkelly Inactive Member |
Faith,
I respectfully request a reply to Message 44 of this thread. BTW: How do I put in a link to another message? Edited to use the link method that jar showed me. This message has been edited by bkelly, 10-08-2005 09:03 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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bkelly Inactive Member |
Everything had a begining.
Chiroptera writes: That is an unproven assertian. I find it interesting that you do not apply this statement to those about god having no beginning and life existing in eternity. All statements about god and his deeds are assertions without proof. Truth fears no question. bkelly
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bkelly Inactive Member |
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's OT both in this thread and forum. We're in a Faith forum and thus beliefs about GOD are acceptable and appropriate.
Now if you can show evidence to support the position that life had a beginning ... Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thank you for respectfully requesting an answer, but the post itself is disrespectful and I ignored it because of that. If you don't want to take the trouble to find out what Christians actually believe, and simply prefer to impose your own gross caricature on us, there is simply nothing to say to you. Sorry.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Hello, bkelly.
I'm afraid that your response neither supports the claim that everything had a beginning, nor does it acknowledge that it is possible that some things might not have had a beginning. So the claim, "Everything had a beginning" is still sort of just hanging there. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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bkelly Inactive Member |
I believe (carefully making this a statement of opinion rather than fact) that you ignored the message, not because it was disrespectful, but because you do not have a valid answer. The gross caricature is not from me, it is from the bible.
Jar's message 81 is quite debatable, but for now, given that request, if there is no response to this post I will back out of this thread. My signature is my parting note. Truth fears no question. bkelly
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bkelly Inactive Member |
As I saw the post I am responding to after I made my last post, this is a more friendly response, I hope you will allow an exception to that last post.
nor does it acknowledge that it is possible that some things might not have had a beginning. I do have a real problem with that. The concept that everything had to have a beginning is self contained paradox. Where did everything come from in the very beginning. That is a problem that I really cannot see a way to even begin to approach, much less begin to wrap my brain around. Truth fears no question. bkelly
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Interesting. Myself, I have trouble comprehending the concept that the universe (with time and space and all that is in it) had a "beginning" a finite time ago. I find an eternal universe much more comprehensible. And if the universe has existed forever (an idea, I admit, that seems to be contradicted by modern cosmology), it is easy (for me, at any rate) to conceive that life may have existed forever. Interesting how different people think differently, no?
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
To be transcendant is to have no location in spacetime and a substance that cannot be differentiated from nothing at all. Hence to be be a thing in the usual sense of the word is not possible for that which is transcendent? Yes, that's a very good way of explaining it Thank you.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
I offten here this pointed out as a solid fact by the faithfull. "You can't have infinite regression!"
What's the deal? Sure you can! There is nothing illogical about it. Infact, not accepting the idea forces you to adopt an idiotic self refuting idea of an uncaused cause. What the hell is an uncaused cause?!
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Yaro
You are welcome m'lady
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3664 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
And if the universe has existed forever (an idea, I admit, that seems to be contradicted by modern cosmology) Not really. There are no observations that suggest a beginning to time 14 billion years ago. Only the maths of BBT show a "beginning" but BBT is purely classical. Some of our quantum modifications allow the universe to have an inifinte past, others retain the "beginning" a finite time in the past. We have no idea
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