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John Inactive Member |
quote: Oh come on now. It stops being fun when you just give up like that.
quote: I don't believe that a PERSON who knows .....
quote: Could you choose differently? If no, then there is no free will. If yes, then God is wrong. Simple really. Which is it? Free will, or an infallible God? There is one other option 'o course..... [/B][/QUOTE] ------------------
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
John I'm sorry I have tried to understand your reasoning on this one. Usually i can see your point, this one I can't.
Just what I am saying anyways I can't speak for anyone else is that God knows your innermost thoughts, so he therefore knows what you will choose however much it may sadden him. But even though he knows this is what you will choose he does not intervene because he has chosen in his free will to give us free will. ------------------saved by grace
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: i wasn't giving up, i was just a little sad at that time... know what i mean? another poster just made me almost unbearably sad... happens sometimes, i'll get over it
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quote: I don't believe that a PERSON who knows .....[/b][/quote] God is a person, john... he has all the attributes of personality... he's a *divine* person, true, but a person nonetheless
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quote: Could you choose differently? If no, then there is no free will. If yes, then God is wrong. Simple really. Which is it? Free will, or an infallible God?[/b][/quote] of course i could choose differently!! that's my whole point... how can that be, you ask? maybe i'll get into it one day... still a tad down... but i'll get over it
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Actually hes missing one, exsistence..... *Oh my aching sides* seriously FMF don`t vent on me just yet, its just a little comment that is in no way disrespectfull of the idea of God it just disagrees that he exsists.... If you don`t like it prove Gods exsistence.....
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John Inactive Member |
quote: [Fixed close quote. --Admin] This is just unbearably trite. The theology of God's personhood has nothing to do with the arguments presented. And I think you know this.
quote: How do you know?
quote: I'm sorry you are sad. ------------------
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
quote: Joz as a former critic i see where you're coming from, but as a child of God it cuts when you mock him. You can mock me but please don't mock God. thanx , i know i've freaked out a few times but here's why. ------------------saved by grace
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robinrohan Inactive Member
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To solve the predestination problem, Boethius suggested that God is "outside of time." Obviously that's hard to imagine but we're talking about God here. If God is outside of time then everything is Now to God. There is no past or future. In such a case, he does not FOREsee anything. He just sees it. So free will is possible.
But I guess this also means that time is illusory since God presumably sees reality. The indicator of time is change, and so God lives in a changeless world observing our illusory world of time. A changeless world sounds pretty boring to me, but I guess God is unbore-able.
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: it sounds boring cause it's nearly unimagineable... i'm not sure boethius was saying time is an illusion any more than matter is an illusion... both exist, both came from something... energy? is that a synonym for God's thoughts? i don't know i talked about all of this to Q in another thread, wrote for over an hour, my isp disconnected, when it reconnected everything shut down... so a long reply *poof* gone... ah well, maybe i'll get the energy/time to start again
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robinrohan Inactive Member
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I agree with you, Forgiven. It makes perfect sense to say that there's a difference between God knowing what you are going to do and God forcing you to do it. The matter is not as simple as John makes it out to be.
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: yeah it makes sense... whether it's true or not is a different subject, but to not accept it as even possible seems... well, needlessly argumentative
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