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Author Topic:   Mary in the Roman Catholic Church - intercession or idolatry?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 32 of 132 (250542)
10-10-2005 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
10-10-2005 6:20 PM


Selfolatry
Only God can hear prayer.
Putting Mary in the place of God is something Catholics should be very very worried about.
She{Mary} can't hear them and if she could she couldn't answer them.
These quotes are of knowledge that only God is capable of having. To claim that one has this knowledge is to put oneself in place of God. The ones who do this are idolizing themselves and wrongfully claiming to be God, this is perhaps the greatest sin of all. The ones who do this are the antichrists.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 66 of 132 (250862)
10-11-2005 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
10-11-2005 2:46 PM


How can you disrespect the mother of god so easily?
I'd like to see you walk down the street and talk shit 'bout someone's momma....

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 81 of 132 (250918)
10-11-2005 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Faith
10-11-2005 6:05 PM


Re: No mere human being in heaven or on earth can intercede for millions
If you believe Mary is omniscient (which would mean that all other Christians who are in heaven are also omniscient)
BUT SHE GAVE BIRTH TO GOD!!!!
And if you believe that she cannot here one prayer then why does a million prayers make it any different?
...but he couldn't teleport one mile and they say he can teleport a million miles!? shah...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 86 of 132 (250928)
10-11-2005 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
10-11-2005 4:24 PM


She herself would be appalled at what is done in her name.
She would be appaled at you telling people how whe would feel.
Please admit that you don't know how someone who is dead and heaven would feel or you are claiming to be omniscient and are putting yourself in the place of God.
She is not this goddess that the RC church has made of her.
She was a simple devout Jewish girl, pure in heart, and highly blessed to be the mother of the Messiah, but still simply an ordinary human being.
Here is what the Angel Gabriel said to Mary:
The Angel Gabriel writes:
Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you
for you have found favor with God
He didn't say Hello mere human.... God favors Mary, even god places her apart from other people
Mary writes:
My soul magnifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior
48 for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
Her soul magnifies the Lord and God regards her and she even says, herself, that generations will call her blessed.
Sounds to me like she is more than a mere ordinary human, what do you think?
Jesus Himself makes sure that she is kept in the background in order to prevent exactly this exaltation of her that has been done by the RC Church.
Please support this with bible quotations.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 88 of 132 (250932)
10-11-2005 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
10-11-2005 6:25 PM


Re: No mere human being in heaven or on earth can intercede for millions
She can't hear anything from heaven, period.
How do you know? Maybe everyone in heaven can hear people on earth, and see them too far all I know. How can you make this claim? Where can I learn this other than from you?
but actually register the prayers of millions of Catholics at once, makes it even more of an imputation of the powers of God.
Lets just stick to the one prayer thing and then move on to this.
She is the human mother of the human Jesus who happens to be God.
You make it sound like she was picked at random.
She is nothing but a human being, a faithful follower of God but only a human being, nothing more.
Clearly this contradicts the bible as I showed in my previous post. You are so disrespectfull to Jesus' mother and thus Jesus himself, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 94 of 132 (250963)
10-11-2005 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
10-11-2005 6:42 PM


Re: No mere human being in heaven or on earth can intercede for millions
I have no idea what if anything they might be able to "hear." The point is that they cannot hear prayers
Do you realize this is a direct contradiction?
And thanks for dodging all the scripture I looked up that proves you are wrong and do not read the Bible literally.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 95 of 132 (250967)
10-11-2005 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
10-11-2005 7:10 PM


Re: No mere human being in heaven or on earth can intercede for millions
The Protestants have offended Jesus and they spit on his mother. The Protestants worship the Bible and put a mere book in the place of God. The Bible is isnpired by God but it is still a mere book, just a human construct.
Everyone in heaven is capable of hearing prayers from people on earth and they look down upon us from above. There is nothing in the Bible to suggest otherwise. The ability to hear prayer is not omniscience, and I don't even think the word 'omniscience' is in the Bible. The people who make claims of reading the literal word of God and then tell people it says what it doesn't are liars and the ultimate blasphemers.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 104 of 132 (251019)
10-12-2005 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
10-11-2005 9:41 PM


Re: Mary is a human being, not a goddess
Oh don't be silly.
You are the silliest person on this sight.
This has nothing to do with her being dead but with the sort of character she had, which is shown in scripture.
well then show it already....
I see, and does that make her a Goddess in your view?
Not only does this NOT make her a goddes in MY view, she has NOT been made a goddess by ANY catholic's view, as been said by many people and been failed to be recognized by you, you dumbass.
Your silliness exceeds all bounds.
Speak for yourself. Your silliness exceeds the divinity of Jesus.
She was highly blessed to be the mother of the Messiah, and certainly of a very pure heart to be chosen.
So..suddenly you've stopped talking shit about her....
However, MANY human beings have been said to have "found favor with God" in the scripture
quote away liar
I don't know how she ranks with Moses and Abraham and David etc, but probably not above them. She is A HUMAN BEING AND NOT A SUPERNATURAL BEING PEOPLE CAN PRAY TO.
At least you've graduated to admitting that you don't know something...congradulations
I do not know if they have total noncontact with earth or not, but I do know they cannot hear prayer
This is another direct contradiction you've made with yourself which is the reason that no one can communicate with you.
as does my third point that making Mary into an intercessor for the Church usurps the role specifically given to Jesus Christ
but this point has been refuted so it is false and you are wrong
Mary is, as I have said more than once, a faithful servant of God. That doesn't mean she was the only one that could be said of, however.
So.. how many people, in your opinion, which you seem to claim to be god's opinion, were capable of being the mother of god? please answer without saying that you don't think your opinion is god's, which you've clearly shown to be the case.
So therefore she's something other than a human being, like a goddess?
no, she isn't a goddess
You can't respect her if she's merely a faithful godly human being?
godly human being? now what are you saying?
She has to be supernatural?
Sort of...in order to give birth to god while remaining a virgin, something supernatural has to happen. It is simple biology.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 105 of 132 (251020)
10-12-2005 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Faith
10-11-2005 10:10 PM


Re: No mere human being in heaven or on earth can intercede for millions
I thought he was talking about merely "looking down" and "seeing and hearing" not really hearing prayer in the sense that God hears prayer, through the spirit, bazillions at a time. HUMAN BEINGS CANNOT DO THAT. As I've said all along.
But this IS what I was talking about.
We are both reading the bible literally and we are disagreeing, how can that be possible with all of god's mighty? we should be totally agreeing but I still think you are a big fat liar.
I have no idea if they have any other contact with earth from heaven but I rather think they can't, but I know they do not hear and answer prayers as Catholics expect Mary to do.
Yet another direct contradiction you've made with yourself that proves you are not a biblical literalist but a falsification of God's Word and a blashphemer.

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