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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
There you go. The bible doesn't proclaim on everything under the sun. Just the vital stuff.
I've often wondered what the evolutionary advantage proffered by tickling is...maybe it's to make your dying moments fun as a tiger claws away at your belly
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
iano writes: The bible doesn't proclaim on everything under the sun. Just the vital stuff. What a shame that you think humour is not vital. People who laugh a lot live longer, you know.
I've often wondered what the evolutionary advantage proffered by tickling is...maybe it's to make your dying moments fun as a tiger claws away at your belly {booming voice from heaven:} Ian! Thou shalt not tickle! And keep thine hands above the sheets!And wipe thine smile from thine face! Remember this, humour is the province of the godless. {echo fades away:} godless... odless... less... ss. We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
parsomnium writes: What a shame that you think humour is not vital. People who laugh a lot live longer, you know. Who wants to live longer? It's a shame, truly, but you really have no idea about how fantastic God is. I can't wait to die - suicide is selfish and sinful so I'm afraid I'll have a while to wait yet. Besides I said the bible covers the vital stuff. I laugh myself silly sometimes reading it. Laughter at the sheer genius that put it all together, laughter and Gods humor in dealing with me, laughter at the very thought of meeting him. Joyous laughter. The bible doesn't need to talk about it. The bible talks (amongst other things) about deepening a relationship with God. The humor follows...
Thou shalt not tickle! And keep thine hands above the sheets! And wipe thine smile from thine face! "Forgive me Lord but you have such a good sense of humour I really can't help it (giggle)". When I was in Israel I saw some kids playing around the cafe we were in. Some ran excitedly up to their father shouting "Abba Abba" It means "Daddy, Daddy" The bible tells me I, as a son, can call God the Father "Abba" Quite...
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5840 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Yet it is explicit from the very beginnings right through to the end. I believe you are mistaken, though of course there is no way to ultimately prove either of us correct. It seems to me the exact opposite message runs throughout, though Jesus plays a similar role. The garden was an explicit message that we absolutely do NOT know what right and wrong is, and that whenever we stop living and start judging as if we do (like we are Gods) then death and suffering are the result. Whether God is real or not the stories follow people suffering and trying to rule as Gods, until finally being shown that they are not and some simple rules set out upon everyone to try and create a consistent atmosphere. When this fails, people using those rules to yet again act like they are gods and know right and wrong, Jesus says okay forget the rules lets go back to the basics and live without judgement, hammering home the point that if there is judgement it will/should come from someplace else. Ecclesiastes in the midst of all this suggests what I am saying almost directly, and seems inconsistent with what you are saying. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Iano writes: What if God told you that your mission in life was to go to Iraq and "convert" those suicide bombers? You do not fear death, so...would you go?
I can't wait to die - suicide is selfish and sinful so I'm afraid I'll have a while to wait yet.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I actually DO agree with your view more than Jars. I DO think, however, that Jars folksy approach is much better suited to convincing the non religious mindset that their efforts DO count even if they do not profess Jesus.
Traditional belief would balk at such a thing, but I feel that Jar has the best intentions and intentions trump edicts and Canonical doctorines. Its like Jesus...when confronted by Pharisees who told him that he was breaking the rules healing on the Sabbath...Jesus told them that their rules were meaningless and that it was the intentions of a heart that God will judge. Even when Jar does things like calling God a "she", he is doing it to break the ice and cause reconciliations rather than divisions.
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kongstad Member (Idle past 2891 days) Posts: 175 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Joined: |
I recently read in a book (some fantasy novel) a phrase I quite liked.
It is not that special to die for your convictions - it is actually quite common. The hard thing is to live by them /Soren ABE: Should have been a reply to message 20 This message has been edited by kongstad, 12-Oct-2005 04:33 PM
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
What if God told you that your mission in life was to go to Iraq and "convert" those suicide bombers? You do not fear death, so...would you go?
If he did I would. Edit to remove the rest - misunderstood the question This message has been edited by iano, 12-Oct-2005 04:34 PM
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kongstad Member (Idle past 2891 days) Posts: 175 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Joined: |
Says Paul in Philippians 1
13So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; 14And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. 15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Even he who preaches without concviction preaches Christ. In Galatians 1 he says:
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. So if one preaches the wrong gospel one is accursed - no matter the intetion. At least that is what I was recently told by and Danish apolegetic. /Soren
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3478 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:IMO, neither Jesus nor his followers dumped the rules. Jesus was showing that we should have concern for the welfare of the individual (spirit of the law) not the letter of the law. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And I've answered in other places.
Love God with all YOUR heart, mind and soul. That is a relative limit. It is based on individual capabilities, not some absolute limit. God expects man to try. As Paul said, "Run the race", "Fight the good Fight". It says nothing about succeeding, nothing about limits, it says try your best. That's all, try. GOD knows mankind cannot succeed, that all we can do is try. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Phat writes: Jesus told them.. that their rules were meaningless and that it was the intentions of a heart that God will judge. Judge in the sense of salvation? Or some other assessment
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: Love God with all YOUR heart, mind and soul. That is a relative limit. It is based on individual capabilities, not some absolute limit. You continue to state this without biblical backup which speaks for itself..
As Paul said, "Run the race", "Fight the good Fight". But Paul is talking to believers at this point. These are letters to churches who already believe in what Christ has done for them. It is explaination as to how the gospel works and instruction as to behaviour in the light of who they now are. It is addressed to people who are already in christ/have the spirit/are saved etc. He points out that these things are NOT universal to all.. Jesus talking to the rich young man is not talk to a believer. That person wants to know how to be saved. Pauls talk is to people who already are Two categories of people Jar. They can't be compared. Only contrasted. Which is what Paul so often does. Contrast the state of the unbeliever with the believer
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But IMHO there certainly IS Biblical support. The statement stands on its own.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: But IMHO there certainly IS Biblical support. The statement stands on its own. Which statment? How can any statement stand on its own? What about context?
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