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Ambiguity-uncertainty-vagueness the key to resistance against the idea of evolution?

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Message 136 of 143 (251830)
10-14-2005 4:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 127 by Ben!
10-14-2005 2:48 PM

Re: Validity? or Utility
I completely disagree. Fundamentally disagree. And... I will ignore the comment, because I find that discussion much less interesting than the one we're talking about. We can take this discussion elsewhere, if necessary.
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(just realized, ... maybe this is due to your the thought behind your "mapping" statement above. Maybe we have to discuss it after all? awww.. )
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oh gosh. this is heading towards another ... column ... and yes I do have some material assembled on this issue in an essay of mine -- perhaps we should discuss this elsewhere.
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Are you talking about how the earth really is like one organism, and that interaction is not just with people, but with all things?
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When we walk into a door we interact with it whether it exists in our world view or not. Just an extreme example. We walk on "solid" ground, but physically we cannot define that solidness as a {multi-linear\surface} boundary but as a set of discrete particles interacting on a much different scale than our perceptions of it. We need layers of understanding to include that in our understanding of the whole {life the universe and everything} enchilada.
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It may explain experiences that they, and they alone, had. These experiences definitely include feelings and the like. A world view that is not "useful" in the "cultural" or "interpersonal" way I mentioned above still may turn out to be the most "useful" world view for that individual.
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Definitely. The unavoidablility of that occuring is what makes it predicatable that world views would be different for every individual, even for twins.
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Message 137 of 143 (251831)
10-14-2005 4:58 PM 		Reply to: Message 136 by RAZD
10-14-2005 4:55 PM

Re: Validity? or Utility
Fair enough. I'm satisfied enough to leave things as they are.
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Ben
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P.S. I should have a first email to you on your column today sometime.
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Message 138 of 143 (251832)
10-14-2005 5:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 134 by nwr
10-14-2005 4:53 PM

Re: unfortunately...
that's the good kind to have. the inflexible ones are prone to tearing.
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Message 139 of 143 (251833)
10-14-2005 5:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 137 by Ben!
10-14-2005 4:58 PM

Re: Validity? or Utility
cool
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that's give me the whole weekend to work on it ...
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Message 140 of 143 (251838)
10-14-2005 5:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 135 by robinrohan
10-14-2005 4:54 PM

Take it somewhere else.
RR,
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You're really far away from establishing the conclusion you're trying to. There's lots more to be said. And this is a nice, clean topic that easily spins off into another thread. It's already been suggested that you do so. Now let's make it really clear.
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If you want to pursue this, take it to a new topic.
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Thanks.
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    Message 141 of 143 (251856)
    10-14-2005 7:23 PM     		Reply to: Message 140 by AdminBen
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    Re: Take it somewhere else.
    You're really far away from establishing the conclusion you're trying to. There's lots more to be said. And this is a nice, clean topic that easily spins off into another thread. It's already been suggested that you do so. Now let's make it really clear.
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    Why are you picking on me, Ben?
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    Message 142 of 143 (251866)
    10-14-2005 8:09 PM     		Reply to: Message 141 by robinrohan
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    Re: Take it somewhere else.
    Robin,
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    Message 143 of 143 (251874)
    10-14-2005 10:35 PM     		Reply to: Message 131 by nator
    10-14-2005 4:39 PM

    Re: science forum?
    So what you really mean is that you don't know enough about psychology to even begin to understand a psychology research paper, but you are perfectly comfortable calling it "pseudoscience".
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    I'll give it another go and see what I can make of it. But I can't talk about it here. It's off-topic.
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