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Author Topic:   Did Adam and eve really have a choice?
Hawkins
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Message 214 of 219 (251947)
10-15-2005 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by nator
10-13-2005 10:21 AM


To me there are actually 3 distinguishing issues here,
1) Free will
- dose free will exist
The answer is Yes
2) Contradiction between omnipotence and free will
- is there a contradiction between omnipotence and free will
The answer is No
3) the extent of His omnipotence
- Why Satan is not destroyed yet (cross-realm data and analysis required)
- Why a plan is needed (cross-realm data and analysis required)
- Is omnipotence simultaneous or only effective as He wishes (actually i think there should be an answer for this)
The answer is noone knows
It's no point to leverage the uncertainty of point 3) to justify a point of view of 1) and 2).
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Hawkins
Member (Idle past 1396 days)
Posts: 150
From: Hong Kong
Joined: 08-25-2005


Message 215 of 219 (251951)
10-15-2005 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Hawkins
10-15-2005 10:26 AM


3) the extent of His omnipotence
That question goes to how often He goes ahead of our time to know our choices, always, periodically, or as He wishes. Alternatively, can He not go ahead of our time to know our choices if He chooses to?
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Hawkins
Member (Idle past 1396 days)
Posts: 150
From: Hong Kong
Joined: 08-25-2005


Message 217 of 219 (251954)
10-15-2005 11:24 AM
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10-15-2005 10:49 AM


That question goes to how often He goes ahead of our time to know our choices, always, periodically, or as He wishes. Alternatively, can He not go ahead of our time to know our choices if He chooses to?
If He cant "not go ahead of our time to know our choices if He chooses to", he's not omnipotence then. So,
He *CAN* (Omnipotence) when He wishes (Free will).
Hope that helps.

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