Evolution and Specialness of Humanity

Ned does have a point, CP. You have the classic case of angst. I think it is because you are searching so passionately for your beliefs through philosophy of spirituality yet you come upon the WALL OF SCIENCE. You dare not go though any door, for you fear you are leaving your beliefs behind. WALLS serve to seperate things.I see only one solution, Twindrix. Taken from Pink Floyd song lyrics Since, my friend, you have revealed your
Deepest fear,
I sentence you to be exposed before
Your peers.
Tear down the wall!This message has been edited by Phat, 10-17-2005 03:24 AM

Since when is moderator assistance needed when a reply is not written? This is strange. Don't intrude into the thread so annoyingly."Hurt feeling card". Wow. How I think evolution puts it has been already said by me in just about every one of my posts. I have already said my feelings about the trap that evolutionists are victim to by only seeing the physical evidence. I don't accept evolution for not the obvious reasons stated by schraf, I have also disscussed why in other posts, just about every one. (hint - social implications upon humanity)Seems like my posts are the ones being ignored. Why did this reply take so long? Because after reading this I simply gave up on schraf. She can't see past basic concepts, and definitions of ideas.I would like to request that moderators don't step in when a reply is not written, I did so with reason, and you couldn't get it, so I was almost forced to write this post trying to explain myself, it's uncomfortable, and frankly insulting.

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The thread has been revised. The solution is within you.You know the truth yet you fear the unknown.You are not alone. You are in Communion with the Body of Christ.Jesus was a greater revolutionary than Che. Would Jesus be afraid of scientific thought?This message has been edited by Phat, 10-17-2005 03:30 AM

Reread the past threads, Charlie.Start Here. I edited a few, added some things, and gave it to you as best as I could. Keep looking for the evidence. Don't be afraid to be a philosopher/theologian/scientific theorist. Maybe you and True Creation need to talk! TC is a few years older than you, yet young enough to not be pedantic. This message has been edited by Phat, 10-17-2005 03:37 AM

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A youth is a person who is going to carry on what you have started. He will assume control of your cities, states, and nations. He is going to take over your churches, schools, and corporations. You may adopt all the policies you please, but how they are carried out depends on him. So it might be well to pay him some attention. In the soothing thoughts that spring
Out of human suffering;
In the faith that looks through death, In years that bring the philosophic mind.--- Wordsworth

I think Ned just doesn't want any unsupported statements about the actual ToE and what it actually deals with. Sometimes (in my experience), creo's can be a little vague, and avoid clear questioning. Firstly, science only works from evidence. Deciding if you think there is an unseen force at work is the individual's discresion. If they were to believe "God" as a preset dogma in the fabric of their logical construct, then they would be assuming an outside force, of which there is no evidence of.Secondly, in reference to your "social implication": HereAs you can see, any social implications are irrelevant to the fact. This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 10-17-2005 08:20 AM

According to Evolution, you don't have a Soul. You are just like a vaccume cleaner. When the vaccume cleaner breaks, electricity no longer flows through it properly and it ceases to function. It eventualy decays back to basic elements over time. The same with humans. When the body breaks, the electro activity ceases and the body ceases to function and decays. There never is a soul. What you perceive as your personna is just a phenomena resulting from electricity flowing in the brain. It's a bi-product of the electro chemical activity and in this paticular enviorment called Planet Earth, this activity can spin up to huge levels allowing the phenomena to morph into complex bi-products like self consciousness.Under Evolution, you are more like a soap bubble. As a fully formed bubble you can see it rise in the air, and when it pops, it ceases to exist as a bubble and becomes mere liquid again. But there is no remenant of the bubble that lives on in some other state identified with the bubble. Just the core elements reorganized.

That's wrong.Evolution says nothing about a soul. It does not say that you have a soul. It also does not say that you don't have a soul.There are many christian evolutionists who do believe that people do have souls. Many of them see evolution as explaining how God created physical bodies. They see the issue of the soul as a different question, one that is not answered by the theory of evolution.

On Earth, we have Public Service. Big Generators. The source of the electricity.Question for LB: What is the source of the electricity that = life?

I know! Pick me!The reactions of adenosine triphosphate, mostly. They're run ultimately by oxygen reacting with sugars and such. When you quit using oxygen, and when the piddly anaerobic reactions you have going run down, too, your voltages go to zero. Then you're a memory.

lol, twindrix.

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yeah I hate evolution.

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Don't give me a link to voice your concerns.

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I think Ned just doesn't want any unsupported statements about the actual ToE and what it actually deals with. Sometimes (in my experience), creo's can be a little vague, and avoid clear questioning.

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Yeah, considering you actually once was a creo? You sound exactly like those that you used to stand against. It's like you've turned into a ned or a schraf. What fact?

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Where the heck do you find your avatars phat?

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I find that the idea has romantic appeal myself. I like meditating on that "dark backward and abysm of time"--the eons and eons of slow development. If you think of it that way, you might like it.Not everything has to be moral. In fact, it could be that the universe is not moral at all.No one ever says, "I hate atomic theory"--except some student who is forced to study it.

Any. Call it X.X is not false because you don't like it's implications. It takes the form of appeal to consequences, or a slippery slope--> (If X is true then this that and the other will happen).You seemed to admitt the evidence favours evolution, earlier on. Your argument seems to be your mere dislike of the fact. I was guilty of this myself, previously, I just couldn't admitt it. For me that's a compliment.To you, I'm guessing you see this as a negaive thing. That's understandable, as I suppose I am "lost" now. From your position, I would, if I was a believer, be thinking; "Oh no, he's lost to the world and hell etc".If it's any consolation, I'm still [m]ike. It was unintentional if I changed from C to E, but the benefits seem to be that of being let out of prison. If I am pitted against you now, it's because my mind has evolved over 6-10 months. I'm still everyone's bud though, even if I disagree over issues. That's the great thing about rational endeavours, they're un-emotional.