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Ben!
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Message 61 of 110 (253566)
10-20-2005 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by mike the wiz
10-20-2005 2:59 PM


Re: Logic can be moot itself
Mike,
Read nwr's post again. It's funny. Nothing more.
Ben

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Ben!
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Message 62 of 110 (253571)
10-20-2005 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by mike the wiz
10-20-2005 10:33 AM


Re: LOGIC Riddles
And here's my "general" solution:

SOLN 1: WEST=RIGHT
1 BLACK SMALL
2 WHITE LARGE
3 GREEN SMALL or LARGE
4 PINK MEDIUM <==== MY HAT!
5 BLUE SMALL
.
.
SOLN 2: WEST=LEFT
1 GREEN SMALL
2 PINK MEDIUM <=== MY HAT!
3 BLUE SMALL
4 WHITE LARGE
5 BLACK SMALL

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 63 of 110 (253572)
10-20-2005 11:59 PM
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10-20-2005 2:42 PM


Re: My attempted tautologies
guh. please. only two sexes. immaterial of what your brain thinks, you either have xx or you have xy... or you have xxy which defaults female. period. gender is entirely different.
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 64 of 110 (253573)
10-20-2005 11:59 PM
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10-20-2005 2:46 PM


Re: Logic can be moot itself
*dies*

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nwr
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Message 65 of 110 (253577)
10-21-2005 12:12 AM
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10-20-2005 11:59 PM


Re: My attempted tautologies
guh. please. only two sexes. immaterial of what your brain thinks, you either have txx or you have xy... or you have xxy which defaults female. period.
It's a lot more complicated with plants and insects, where there can be haploid individuals (only one set of chromosomes). There isn't any obvious reason that there could not be a world with a different sexual arrangement than we have in our world.
gender is entirely different.
Right. It is a grammatical term, and technically has nothing to do with biology.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 66 of 110 (253584)
10-21-2005 1:09 AM
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10-21-2005 12:12 AM


Re: My attempted tautologies
yes yes, and to be honest, we are the diploid cycle of our more important haploid gametes. there is no difference between plants and animals. it's a construction. we're precisely the same as moss.
really. think about it for a minute.

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nwr
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Message 67 of 110 (253585)
10-21-2005 1:14 AM
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10-21-2005 1:09 AM


Re: My attempted tautologies
we are the diploid cycle of our more important haploid gametes.
It's not up to us to decide which is more important. You need both parts of the cycle for it to all work.
In any case, there isn't an obvious reason that you couldn't have a system with three sets of chromosomes, and three sexes. We just don't happen to have that on this planet.

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coffee_addict
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Message 68 of 110 (253590)
10-21-2005 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by mike the wiz
10-20-2005 2:59 PM


Re: Logic can be moot itself
I am god because I say so, because I am god because I say so.

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Parasomnium
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Message 69 of 110 (253603)
10-21-2005 4:01 AM
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10-20-2005 1:13 PM


Begging the question
I've noticed that sometimes the phrase "begging the question" is used in the sense that there is something that needs to be asked. (Often the 'begging' is interpreted as an indication of urgency.)
For example, here Brian said:
Which now begs the question of what was amusing.
But this is not what it is about. 'Begging the question' simply means that the conclusion of an argument is assumed - either explicitly or implicitly - in one of the premises, thereby making the argument invalid. It's a logical fallacy.

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mike the wiz
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Message 70 of 110 (253642)
10-21-2005 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Ben!
10-20-2005 11:14 PM


Re: Logic can be moot itself
I know/knew.

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mike the wiz
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Message 71 of 110 (253647)
10-21-2005 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Parasomnium
10-21-2005 4:01 AM


Re: Begging the question
I know. A tautology doesn't have to be logical either, it can be grammatical, if you say the same thing twice.
If Lam had said, "I am the master of the universe, god almighty" and God is, in a manner of speaking, the master of the universe, then that's a grammatical tautology. You might know this already, you could have had previous knowledge of it.
It's a logical fallacy
It is?
That's like telling an armyman that "that's a gun" in his hand.
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Omnivorous
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Message 72 of 110 (253650)
10-21-2005 10:30 AM
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10-21-2005 10:23 AM


Re: Begging the question
Those are rifles; the Navy has guns.

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Omnivorous
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Message 73 of 110 (253652)
10-21-2005 10:37 AM
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10-21-2005 10:23 AM


Re: Begging the question
Ben writes:
If Lam had said, "I am the master of the universe, god almighty" and God is, in a manner of speaking, the master of the universe, then that's a grammatical tautology.
It seems to me that "god almighty" is more a clarifying appositive than part of a tautology.
Even just in recent popular culture, a master of the universe could be a cartoon character, stock market analyst/manipulator, a game character, or Bruce.

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Parasomnium
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Message 74 of 110 (253655)
10-21-2005 10:48 AM
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10-21-2005 10:23 AM


Careful!
mike the wiz writes:
It is [a logical fallacy]?
Well, I meant to say that some people use the term in a different meaning. They don't intend to point out a logical fallacy, but to justify asking a question. To those people I say: "begging the question" is the term for a specific logical fallacy.
That's like telling an armyman that "that's a gun" in his hand.
If you meet a person with a gun in his hand, maybe it's wise not to presume to tell them anything. Especially if they are a bit touchy about a gun not being a rifle, or vice versa.

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mike the wiz
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Message 75 of 110 (253656)
10-21-2005 10:48 AM
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10-21-2005 10:37 AM


R U being facetious young animal?
I said "IF God is defined this way"
" I am creator of the universe, God almighty ". Does this satisfy you?
I hope these attampts to strain at a nat, don't make you swallow a camel.
I think the desire of the group, to teach, rather makes them miss the point/s I am trying to make.
We could think of many ways to say things twice. Not being able to come up with a perfect example on the spot, doesn't negate the fact that I am correct in describing a grammatical tautology. You do know this don't you?
I also notice you didn't mention my correct grammatical tautologies, which leads me to think that your motive is to correct me where I don't need correcting.
Forgive me being snappy, it gets a little irritating when people think an angry young animal doesn't know anything, because he needed help with one problem.

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