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Author Topic:   Overuse of antibacterials?
Ben!
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Message 1 of 7 (253691)
10-21-2005 12:37 PM


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FDA officials and panelists raised concerns about whether the antibacterials contribute to the growth of drug-resistant bacteria
This raises a question to me. Is there any limit on the number of drugs / agents a bacteria can become resistant to?
I look at it this way: The new "gene" for producing drug resistance can come from one of two places:
  • an already-coding sequence
  • a non-coding / almost-coding sequence
  • But there seems to be a limit on each of these:
  • already-coding sequences are "important." I understand that sometimes a coding sequence can be changed such that it still fufills it's original function AND serves a new function. But is this common? And, for the times that the coding sequence is changed such that it serves the new function but loses the old function, wouldn't that make the baceria potentially vunerable to other drugs? It seems like the bacteria may not be "gaining" functions (meaning increasing the number of things it can do) as much as swapping them out (trading one function for another)...
  • There's got to be a limit to how much non-coding DNA there is. If you create enough coding DNA out of non-coding DNA, then you're gonna run out, right?
  • I guess what I'm asking is, is there any practical limit to how many agents a bacteria can become resistant to? Like the article says, "They've [the bacteria] seen dinosaurs come and go. They will be happy to see us come and go. Any attempt to sterilize our home is fraught with failure." In other words, they've seen all sorts of agents that they've adapted to. Have they hit a practical limit where adapting to a new agent basically allows them to be killed on another front? Or are we simply "accidentally engineering" indestructible bacteria (so to speak)?
    Just trying to see if there's any practical constraints in this little messy system we got going on.
    Ben
    This message has been edited by Ben, Friday, 2005/10/21 09:37 AM

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    Wounded King
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    Message 2 of 7 (253843)
    10-21-2005 6:49 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Ben!
    10-21-2005 12:37 PM


    The chances are that while any one particular strain of bacteria may have limits to their ability to cope with a particular antibacterial challenge there will be the potential within a larger bacterial population to meet the challenge.
    Tettelin, et al., 2005
    Genome analysis of multiple pathogenic isolates of Streptococcus agalactiae: implications for the microbial "pan-genome".
    The development of efficient and inexpensive genome sequencing methods has revolutionized the study of human bacterial pathogens and improved vaccine design. Unfortunately, the sequence of a single genome does not reflect how genetic variability drives pathogenesis within a bacterial species and also limits genome-wide screens for vaccine candidates or for antimicrobial targets. We have generated the genomic sequence of six strains representing the five major disease-causing serotypes of Streptococcus agalactiae, the main cause of neonatal infection in humans. Analysis of these genomes and those available in databases showed that the S. agalactiae species can be described by a pan-genome consisting of a core genome shared by all isolates, accounting for approximately 80% of any single genome, plus a dispensable genome consisting of partially shared and strain-specific genes. Mathematical extrapolation of the data suggests that the gene reservoir available for inclusion in the S. agalactiae pan-genome is vast and that unique genes will continue to be identified even after sequencing hundreds of genomes.
    The full text of this paper is avilable online.
    Bacterial genomes are much more variable than those of vertebrates, especially when taking into account transmissible genetic material such as plasmids which can readily introduce new factors and many potential new interactions for existing factors.
    Gene duplication can obviate the problem of a loss of original function while allowing neofunctionalisation of duplicated genes, tis is especially easy with multiple copies of a plasmid present in each bacterium.
    So the news is probably bad on the antibacterial resistance front, the bacteria are never going to be finally beaten with our current approaches and may never be.
    You may remember from the Chat room the suggestion that screening factors produced from genomic fragments of relatively, or completely, unstudied bacteria has been suggested to be a promising source of novel antibacterial agents. This is using the huge genetic variability of bacteria to our advantage.
    TTFN,
    WK

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    macaroniandcheese 
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    Message 3 of 7 (253994)
    10-22-2005 12:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Ben!
    10-21-2005 12:37 PM


    *sigh*
    all these techno-age moms who have stifled children who never get dirty and who shun anyone with the sniffles because god forbid their precious angel gets sick....
    these people are to blame. they're killing their children by failing to strengthen their immune systems and killing the rest of us with too much dial soap.
    just like the oil your body makes is good for your hair and skin, the bacterial living in and on you makes you healthier. deal.

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    Ben!
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    Message 4 of 7 (254007)
    10-22-2005 12:54 PM
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    10-22-2005 12:06 PM


    they're killing their children by failing to strengthen their immune systems
    Reminds me of the whole polio outbreak.
    I've taken to daydreaming about what populations are most vunerable to a collapse of industrial culture. It doesn't look pretty for us, does it.
    Good thing I'm a stinky, smelly, dirty guy. Now I just gotta find some stinky, smelly, dirty women to have babies with.

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    Message 5 of 7 (254012)
    10-22-2005 1:41 PM
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    10-22-2005 12:54 PM


    haha ew.
    yay for stinky, smelly, dirty. boo for babies.

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    Ben!
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    Message 6 of 7 (254014)
    10-22-2005 1:47 PM
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    10-22-2005 1:41 PM


    boo for babies.
    The survival of our species is in my hands! I have a responsibility to all of humanity here!

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    macaroniandcheese 
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    Message 7 of 7 (254016)
    10-22-2005 1:50 PM
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    10-22-2005 1:47 PM


    sounds kinky.

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