Is God determined to allow no proof or evidence of his existence? Part II

Yes and no.Since there is apparently no natural rhythm found within nature capable of maintaining this cellular weekly rhythm found within nearly all facets of life, it seems to indicate that whatever has caused it in the first place is still very much active in maintaining it.Having said this, I am coming to the more direct evidence of God's existence in the present tense purpledawn. However, I need to explain a few other things first.What would you like me explain now: astronomical, historical, geographical, psychological, theological or spiritual?It's your choice, but I will save the best for last.This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 10-22-2005 03:21 PM

That's why I said yes and no.It seems to me that if these internal processes were merely self-regulated patterns, then they would probably tend to diversify throughout the various species on earth -- with some species having remarkably different cellular rhythms than others in our present day.Instead of that, however, we seem to find humanity with circaseptan rhythms that are nearly identical to that of the mermaid's wineglass (the giant alga some five million years old on the evolutionary time line), in addition to that of rats, face flies, plants and other life forms of our modern day.As I said before, since there is apparently no natural rhythm found within nature capable of maintaining this cellular weekly rhythm found within nearly all facets of life, it seems to indicate that whatever has caused it in the first place is still very much active in maintaining it.Consequently, the Scriptures do seem to indicate that nature observes some kind of Sabbath rest even no one is around to participate in it. Ok, I'll do astronomical next.

Except for the fact that they don't actually know how this works or even exactly why it's happening for that matter.Like I noted from the article before, when the "primitive" alga is subjected to artificial schedules of alternating light and dark spans of varying length over many days, this single intact cell is somehow able to translate all that manipulation of light and darkness into the measurement of a seven-day week.The best that they can say at this point is that some rhythms rise while others fall -- like a modern dance in which the dancers move seemingly independently of each other.They think that the cells must have actually been carefully choreographed on a biological level throughout natural means. However, the dance is so complex that chronobiologists are admittdely only beginning to understand the interrelationships of the rhythms -- and it may yet remain that there is no residual ancient choreography at all, but a very present choreographer over-seeing the rhythm, the Lord of the Dance himself so to speak.

*sigh*

meh, no problem.Actually, looking back -- it was kind of funny. Anyway, apparently my posts are either too long, or not clear enough, or else something else I've done wrong.Fuck it.They want to find the answers they can go look for themselves.Take care dude.

No. I've demonstrated a scientifically verified pattern throughout all life which quite accurately verifies what the Scriptures apparently were saying all along.In science one doesn't validate the existence of something with one test. You gradually build up a case for something with various disciplines to present a unified theory that can be accepted as a whole.The part I mentioned above is the first piece of a greater body of evidence which, when placed together, seems to confirm the existence of the Judeo-Christian God.That's why I was moving onto the next pieces.Apparently, however, my posts are too long -- so I'm debating on whether I should even continue with this. In truth, it seems impossible for me to validate God's existence to you if I'm limited to sound-bites, buzz-words, and other meaningless dribble.
_______________AdminPhat, I don't understand why you gave me that warning.In my opinion it wasn't very cool.The people of this forum are intelligent enough to read things on their own. They're also quite capable of judging for themselves whether or not a post is too long -- and simply decide not to read it if they wish.If you're saying that my posts are long, then I'll agree with you 100%.But if you're saying they're too long, then I'll disagree with you 100% as well.You realize that purpledawn is asking me to scientifically validate the existance of God, correct?After taking a step back and cooling of a little I'll simply admit to you that I don't know how to explain this without going into great detail about it. If you know of a better way to prove that God exists on a purely academic level, then please do so. I'll step back and, if you desire, you can take over this thread for me.This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 10-26-2005 04:12 AM

Ok, thank you. I'll do that. Why do you disagree?

Actually, I did notice it. I've been trying to reply to it without "overdoing" the text.In general, it seems to me that the seven day rhythm is more than a numerical curousity. The septad rhythm is specifically linked with healing and replenishment, just as the Hebrew Sabbath is associated with the seven day week. Many Rabbi's seem to see it in this light, being linked with healing. And Christ himself seems to see it in this way too.Here's some questions that you asked... The previous cultures apparently patterned their social rhythms mostly after their marketing days -- whereas the Israelites patterned their marketing days around their Sabbath. I'm not sure if we have any demographic information from back then. However, more recent research seems to be thinking that this could be the case.For example, this article here seems to think that during the 24 hour rhythm, there are certain peek peiods when medicine seems to be more effetive.... Daily RhythmsAs similar idea seems to be emerging concerning the daily rhythm as such.... Daily Rhythms TooAs far as the weekly cycle is concerned, apparently specific days seem to be emerging as being ideal for certain things to happen.For example, Wednesday and Saturday are days with highest physiological activity. Thursday and Friday are days with lowest physiological activity. Monday, Tuesday and Sunday are days with medium physiological activity.There are also apparently serious consequences associated with working against one's biological clock, such as accidents, depression, and lack of quality sleep. Blood pressure and allergic reactions differ throughout the day. Heart attacks and strokes are also affected by the biological clock. Timing surgery with the biological clock can prove to be life-saving.I'll look to find more information on this, and then post links so I can verify if this information is accurate.This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 10-29-2005 07:18 PM

Hmmm...I'll do search and see if there are any cultures that currently use different social rhythms -- and I'll check to see what their average life-spans are -- and how their behavior differs from ours, such as crime rates, etc.edit: doccted spe;;ing..or something like that. ugh...spellcheck goodly...Happpy Halloween!This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 10-30-2005 01:49 AM

Maybe you could read through this: Online Book: Our Lord's Mother Visits Egypt in 1968 & 1969 by Pearl Zaki, and then I'll explain to you why it actually is an authentic photograph -- I have a degree in graphic arts, am trained in photography, and also have a degree in general drafting by the way.I've been told I'm also good at digital image manipulation using photoshop too. Check out my avatar when you have a chance. arach, if you're reading this, please note that I haven't forgetten about the "negative space" discussion we had before. It's not finished yet.

I would rather say God is not omnipotent actually.Most powerful? Yes.Omnipotent? No.But I've been stressing this point for a while now.

I've been side-tracked with iano for a bit purpledawn. Please note I haven't forgetten. I've found some interesting things and I would like to take my time to edit some things and present it in the short, concise and yet accurate format you suggested.

Still working on a few things. I want to trim it down so it's concise, clear, and to the point.

heh heh......and you call me arrogant?By all means, if you beleive that my previous assertions are incorrect, then please submit your counter points to my particular assertions.All's I've read so far from you basically boils down to, "You're wrong and I'm right...and purpledawn is right too. N'yah! N'yah!"Not terribly convincing in my opinion.Edit: I just re-read through your post to see ig I misunderstood anything. Here's one of your quotes from above: Um...no...that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that those who manifest Christ in their lives will be saved (heaven) and those who do not manifest Christ in their lives will be damned (hell).In other words, God judges each individual in proportion to that which is revealed to them -- and he holds each individual accountable to that which is revealed in proportion to what he has enabled them to grasp.Period.Determining exactly who is authentically manifesting Christ in their lives is what this thread is pretty much all about. Only God knows for sure -- but I think there are indications in the Scriptures which we can call upon to analyze the potential for each personThis message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 12-22-2005 10:39 PM

Well ... Mr. REALIST ... I'm still waiting for your response...*sigh*Here, let me back up a bit and quote something you said previously... No. We are here so we can be open to the motion of the Holy Spirit and do God's will as best as we are able to according to what portion of revelation has been granted individually to each of us.Doing God's will, as far as our limited human experience is concerned, is the very evidence that God is active in them. I agree with you here ... and I've explained this in detail already ... but why are you willing to make these excemptions for those who are mentally handicapped -- and infants who are not mentally developed enough to form their own beliefs -- but yet not make allowances for those who have never had the gospel fairly presented to them.Certainly, in the case where someone is raised within a culture which is radically foreign to the values of the Christian faith, certainly these people would have been raised within a "spiritually handicapped" culture, wouldn't they?It seems to me that there are certain groups within the Christian faith which have been held sway under the adversary's conceitedness -- thinking too highly of themselves -- and are working very hard to make sure that others beleive that anyone who doesn't think the same as them is going straight to hell.In fact, over and over again, the main objection I hear from some other Christians is that it would mean the Christian faith has no purpose being here -- which is incorrect. In my opinion, this is the very heart of the problem -- some Christians need to feel more important than others, and they have no qualms making sure that others feel like excrement so long as it makes themselves feel good.Like the older brother in the story of the prodical son, there is no joy in them over the fact that others might be saved. There's only this bitter and jealous resentment that they perhaps wasted their time in a faith that they wouldn't have had to follow if what I'm saying is true (which would be another misunderstanding of what I've said).Sad really.The reason why we follow Christ is because he's true (He is true God and true man, he was born of the Virgin, he lived, he died, and he rose from the dead literally for the redemption of our bodies and the forgiveness of sins, and to rise to heaven to be at the Father's right hand in order to send the Holy Spirit throughout all of human history) -- not because we'll be damned if we don't.Yeah...and by the way...Merry Christmas. This message has been edited by Mr. Ex Nihilo, 01-03-2006 02:21 AM