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Thou Shalts and Thou Shalnts

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ringo
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Message 184 of 204 (255100)
10-27-2005 11:25 AM 		Reply to: Message 182 by iano
10-27-2005 4:48 AM

Re: Purpose of the Law
iano writes:
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Lack of establishment means a potential return to counters from you such as: "those writing are corrupted", "that is Pauline doctrine only", "we know that Johns gospel doesn't match up with the others" and other such Herrings Rouge
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Put up your evidence.
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Then our readers can evaluate it for themselves.
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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ringo
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Message 186 of 204 (255185)
10-27-2005 6:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 185 by iano
10-27-2005 2:32 PM

Re: Purpose of the Law
You can run but you can't hide.
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You should have more respect for your fellow members. If you don't have the backup for your assertions, admit it to them. Don't try to loophole your way out of it by misrepresenting the "terms of discussion".
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I think I have made my position fairly clear and backed it up with scripture: The law is for our benefit, not God's. We are to receive blessing and knowledge from it, not just condemnation. If anybody has any points they want me to clarify, they're welcome to ask.
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Now, why don't you do us all the courtesy of answering the questions you've been asked without trying to weasel out on every technicality?
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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ringo
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Message 190 of 204 (255338)
10-28-2005 11:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 189 by iano
10-28-2005 6:27 AM

Re: A General Reply
iano writes:
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What could be a more noble, worthwhile and important purpose for the law other than to be a mechanism of salvation of people God loves so much.
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A "more noble, worthwhile and important purpose" would be to improve our lives, to show us how to treat each other. Hence Jesus' summation of the law: "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Hence "whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me."
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It makes no sense to say that the law condemns us and then say that the law is a mechanism for salvation. The law saves us from itself? There again you are postulating a sadistic god, who throws us in the river just so he can pull us out and be a big hero.
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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ringo
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10-28-2005 1:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 191 by truthlover
10-28-2005 1:02 PM

Re: A General Reply
truthlover writes:
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Jano's position is that the law's purpose is indeed to show us how to treat each other, but the result is that it shows us that we don't treat each other that way, thus condemning us. The resulting condemnation drives us to Christ.
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If that is indeed what iano is saying, I have no problem with that.
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But what he said back in Message 6 was:
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The law is there to condemn you. It's sole purpose is to make you feel condemned. Should you ever reach that point, then the law will have done exactly what it's supposed to do.
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That's what I've been banging on about: the focus on condemnation. If iano agrees that the ultimate purpose of the law is to "show us how to treat each other", then we agree on that.
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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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