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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 2 of 417 (25603)
12-05-2002 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by David unfamous
12-05-2002 11:28 AM


He does with those who'd like to chat with him. but i guess that's not falsifiable.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 5 of 417 (25618)
12-05-2002 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by John
12-05-2002 2:47 PM


I guess this is exactly the answer you were expecting but here goes. It's a different kind of communication that takes on all sorts of forms. Mostly a spirit to spirit communication that bypasses the flaws of language. The Holy Spirit in me is God's voice to me, comforting and guiding me. Your greatest fear is something between you and God and unless he thinks it necessary for me to know this then why would he tell me?
I don't pretend to know all about God. I do know that I have seen and felt his hand at work in and around my life. I have had times where I become drunk on the Holy Spirit. That probably sounds ridiculous to you guys but it sure solidifies my relationship to God. As a former addict of all sorts the high that my God can provide is untouchable by any drug or cocktail of drugs I could dream up.
As to the don't test your God I'm not sure why that is. My personality type would like to call down fire from heaven some days. I don't understand all things but God has always provided for me. I have seen his healing power on many occasians and I have seen him provide beyond what was asked for by those in need. He has more than proven himself to me.
I guess I never really answered to anything here, most of my knowledge of God comes from personal experience, and I lack words to adequately express this. My God has delivered me from death unto life, he has soothed my soul, and there is a peace that passes understanding in my heart. This peace in my heart is the greatest to me, it is a peace and an understanding I have never experienced anywhere else but from the throne room. So I don't really think that God speaking to me is verifiable in the sense expected. Maybe if you actually knew me and saw the work that God has done, that may be evidence but with words I cannot describe or verify my communication with God.
I heard something interesting the other day from a missionary who was in Sidon. He said to us preach the gospel always, and when necessary use words. The proof of God's existance and his love is in the actions of those who pour the love of Jesus out onto the sick, starving, homeless and dying. Too often the church is thought of as a building. It is not, it is those of us who make up the body of Christ this is the church. Unfortunately there are too many punch clock Christians who show up Sunday morning spend the hour there punch out and for the rest of the week you wouldn't even know that they are a Christian. A dead limb on the body. Now after saying all this I am feeling pretty stupid about some of the blow-ups and cutting statements I've made. I don't know if this post sheds any light for you, but it certainly has for me.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 8 of 417 (25639)
12-05-2002 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by gene90
12-05-2002 6:18 PM


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(Humility is more important than faith, in my experience).
And no, I'm not going to try to 'prove' there is a God to you or anyone else. It's not my job to do your homework for you.
Gene I know we are of different faiths but I sure do appreciate this kind of wisdom from anyone. Humility gets lost behind the word faith alot. I've really enjoyed reading some of your posts.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 20 of 417 (25784)
12-06-2002 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by John
12-06-2002 6:08 PM


Okay anywhere in history was it standard procedure for a peasant to storm into the throne room making demands. Someone who doesn't even know the king storms in and starts demanding things of his king. How often do you think this aproach had a positive result for the peasant? How often do you think the king just listened and allowed this kind of insubordination? This is similiar to marching up to God with some trivial test. Since when does the potter answer to the clay?
This is the humbling yourself part. Approaching God with respect realizing that this is God you are talking to. That this is the ultimate throne room. And with thanksgiving in your heart. God wants us to come before him thankful that we CAN come before him. Not fuming rambling and demanding answers.
I thought Gene put it well when he said you have to search God out and humble yourself before him (bow at his throne so to speak)until he feels he wants to talk to you. It's a very basic principle of respect. Do you answer to someone who comes at you in arrogance, slandering your character before they even know you? Why then should God?
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 23 of 417 (25807)
12-07-2002 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by John
12-06-2002 11:54 PM


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Where is history is it standard procedure for a kng to NOT demonstrate his power?
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The effect would have likely been very unpleasant for the peasant, but he would have gotten a response. That is the point, Funk. There is no response. NONE.
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I would think that the king would cut the insubordination very short. YOUR GOD DOES NOT. Again, this is exactly the point.
This King is a different kind of king he's a king, friend and brother to those who choose to bow their knee down. There is no other king like this one John. Any king can make you serve him. What king makes you thirst to serve him? What king is like your brother to lift you up? What king is your friend always there by your side with that wise counsel?
Hebrews 2:5, It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6; But there is a place where someone has testified:
"What is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?
7You made him a little[1] lower than the angels;
you crowned him with glory and honor
8 and put everything under his feet.?[2] In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9; But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
10; In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom, and through whom, everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11; Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. 12; He says,
"I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises."[3] 13And again,
"I will put my trust in him."[4] And again he says,
"Here am I, and the children God has given me."[5]
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil-- 15; and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16; For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. 17; For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for[6] the sins of the people. 18; Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
Yes,you know a normal king offended like that would have cut off your head or thrown you in the dungeon. This King cries. He wants to know you. This King has already laid down his life to know you.
Hebrews:12
1; Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance, the race marked out for us. 2; Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy, set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3; Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
4; In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5; And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6; because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."[1]
This is not a normal King, as you might guess by now. Not the kind of King that will destroy you for this insubordination. Oh praise the grace of God! Would I walk into a room and ask someone I can't see, to answer me, would I give that someone respect, not normally I don't think so. Somehow I did, and that someone reached out and picked me up. When I laid that knee down, that broken self, that empty lost apathetic self, was taken. It's gone. Oh praise the grace of God!
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No. I do not answer to such a person, but I ANSWER someone who comes at me in arrogance, slandering my character.
See John, this king is above all kings. This is where the statement "As the heavens are above the earth, so are my thoughts above your thoughts." He weeps, and knows our thoughts. He knows what hangs us up. He knows our frustration; has felt our pain, has known temptation, and has known that seperation from God. "My God my God, why has thou forsaken me".
This King knows your heart. No other King would.
Forgive me everyone, who reads this post. If it angered you, and you thought it was preachy,I'm sorry. At this particular moment my heart aches for everyone. Oh that you knew this King!
My intention is not to play holy christian guy, but to show you who this king is!
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 37 of 417 (25880)
12-07-2002 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Primordial Egg
12-07-2002 7:22 PM


Okay, for one my relationship to God is not a swap of addictions. I tried swapping one addiction for another quite a few times, I'll save you some time that doesn't work. Guess I should have left personal history and testimony out of this there's always another explanation hey?
John I was trying to show the difference between this king and other kings. And it's incomplete because King is only one title/role. At this point I don't really know what else to say. I'm just sad. I can't think right now guess I'm going to have to post later to avoid saying something I don't want to.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 38 of 417 (25886)
12-07-2002 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Brian
12-07-2002 5:19 AM


First thing here John.
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Sorry, the easy way out is 'a book told me so'
Where do you get your information and knowledge?
Now Brian
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funky,
This sort of backs up my theory that it takes a certain kind of person to believe in God, all you have done is substituted one addiction with another, it is part of your nature to be addicted to something.
Also, just like the drug addict, you will do anything and say anything to get your 'god-kick'
I'm going to ignore the fact that I feel insulted here. It doesn't take a certain kind of person to believe in God. I think the bible is pretty clear that the blood of Jesus was shed for everyone not just for drug addicts who want to trade up.
So you know my nature now do you? Boy you're brilliant must be phsycic or something. That aside yes it USED to be my nature to be addicted to something. This is the incredible thing here! This being drunk on the Spirit I mentioned is not something I go out of my way to attain, it's not a high in the usual sense of the word. It's just something that happens when you allow the Holy Spirit to dwell within you, when you listen to his gentle urges and allow him to make you God's instrument. It's that proximity to God, to be in his graces that leaves your spirit exhilerated and rejuvinated.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 40 of 417 (25890)
12-07-2002 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by John
12-07-2002 9:00 PM


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Then you have invalidated your own analogy. This would also qualify as back-pedaling to save an argument I've shown to be poorly constructed. It doesn't speak much for your credibility, though I don't think any of this is intentional on your part.
It was a set up John, to show the differences between earthly kings and The King. I expected your response almost to the letter. Showing contrast.
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The king that controls the aquaduct. Actually, a lot of power can be and has been wielded by he who controls the water supply.
Took me a little to literally there John. Besides the water supply of this king runs freely, if you're thirsty it's only your refusal to drink that makes it so. I was talking about serving this King out of a personal desire to do so. Not because he commanded but because you have chosen him as your king and want to serve him.
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You must enjoy gutting your own argument.
Already adressed this little remark I guess by showing the purpose of my argument.
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Then why the analogy?
To show the contrast between an earthly king and his kingdom and The King and his Kingdom.
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There you go. All this trouble and you understand.
There you go all this trouble and you still don't understand. I would not normally search God out this way. I did. You still don't understand.
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Funk, I felt much the same fifteen years ago when I first read Diary of a Drug Fiend. Does this mean Crowley picked me up and fixed my broken self? Not really. But by your logic it does.
Again there's always another explanation when you don't like the one provided hey? By your own logic that's not a legitimate point because Crowley is a man, then how could he pick you up and heal your spirit. I was talking about God. So that's not even applicable here. You used this kind of logic on me when we were discussing free will remember? Because I'm a human my foreknowledge doesn't affect my cat's free will. But if it's God's foreknowledge it's different. Not too sure what else to say right now.

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 49 of 417 (25911)
12-08-2002 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by John
12-08-2002 1:10 AM


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I might have pointed out some of your flaws but I didn't talk about your parents, now did I John? Did I talk about whatever sibling(s) you might have? Did I talk about whatever children you might have or will have? Did I talk about your girlfriend? Did I talk about your colleagues? Did I talk about nearly your entire family back at least five generations? Did I?
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You fault me because my opinions are contrary to those of most of your acquaintances
No he faults your stereotyping,that is blatant on your website. You make a general assumption of people on their beliefs. This is extemely offensive. You seem to take offence when you think Gene knows what you think. Why then should I not feel the same anger when you label me "stupid", "dishonest" ect,not just me but my family friends and congregation.
Oh and this "stupid" "dishonest" Christian and another one both lost posts you have yet to respond to.
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[This message has been edited by funkmasterfreaky, 12-08-2002]

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 62 of 417 (25956)
12-08-2002 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by John
12-08-2002 9:26 AM


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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
No he faults your stereotyping,that is blatant on your website.
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I give reasons and I give evidence for I what I believe. Not everything applies to everyone, obviously, but am I to list 5 billion names and note exceptions?
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You make a general assumption of people on their beliefs.
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Actually, the beliefs imply things about the people. This isn't an assumption. The belief in a flat earth, for example, implies certain things about the people who believe it. There is nothing I do about this fact.
Secondly, I speak from MY experience and the vast majority of Christians I have known fit the descriptions I give. And I have known a lot of Christians. I was raised in the religion. I went to church three or more times a week during my formative years.
I'm having a hard time with this little dance John. You know saying Christians are "stupid" "evil" "dishonest", is the same as saying Indians are drunken slobs. I could definately support this theory growing up in Northern Alberta, could give you 5 billion names too. But I don't think that, I don't say it, and I know how offensive it would be to those people. So you don't have any excuse for this kind of statement. It's the same as a racial prejudice. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT. The dancing around doesn't gloss over the blatant stereotype.
Oh and BTW if I want to comment on the link to your website that you provide on this forum I will do it here. It's the only place I've ever seen you form some sort of belief. Here all you do is attempt to discredit others beliefs, and dance around when they make a valid point.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 63 of 417 (25957)
12-08-2002 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by David unfamous
12-06-2002 6:11 AM


David,
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funkmasterfreaky - Thanks. Your openess allows me to communicate with you as if we were face to face. Your answer is what I was looking for; I wanted to know how you believe you talk to God.
One thing I'd like to say is that I think you underestimate your own strengh and character, and may even neglect to acknowledge those around you. Don't give God all the praise all the time.
I missed this post completely, sorry. I'm glad that I managed to respond to someone without offending them. If you've read my other posts then you know I have a tendency to do so.
As to giving God all the credit, anything I have is given to me from God. I own nothing, even myself is on loan from God. I believe that I don't even own this body, that it was given to me by God and my parents, and it's only on loan. This is why I give God all the credit because I recognize that he has just given me stewardship over my body and possessions. When this body dies my body will be returned to the earth and my possessions redistributed as the Lord would see fit.
Again I'm not trying to preach, but to state my belief.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 71 of 417 (25993)
12-08-2002 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by John
12-08-2002 9:40 PM


John you're right there is no evidence for the easter bunny or santa claus. These are just lies made up to give a secular meaning/financial profit to the two most important Christian holidays.
However God unlike these two most blasphemous creations does give evidence of his existance. Not the type you seem to require but to me the very earth is evidence, quoting a song here by some singer named Rebecca St. James "the heavens declare you are God, and the mountains rejoice, the oceans cry aleiluiah".
When I go to the Rocky Mountains (so oftenly thought of around here as just folding rock) I can see God's craftsmanship, folded rock should not cause this sort of awe. When I look out over the Pacific Ocean, I can see God's hand. Looking up at the sky on a clear night in the prairies at the vastness of the heavens, Even this seems to declare the existance of the Almighty.
Yeah this is crazy Christian talk as Schraff might describe it, but I don't care. The whole universe is screaming in testimony to God Most High. There is also other evidence that can be observed on the lives of those who would choose to give over their will to do the work of the Lord. You will see in their wake the hand of God, because it is Christ through them, not them through Christ.
There is evidence, solid evidence at that, to the existance of God. I don't understand where you're coming from. Not pretending I don't understand. You can explain away anything if you really want to.
edited in: oops sorry got carried away there again. I get excited when I think about who my God is. I'll get off my little apple box podium and go play in the corner by myself with my bible.*grinning*
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 74 of 417 (26025)
12-09-2002 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by John
12-09-2002 11:06 AM


Sorry John I knew it wasn't really a submissable argument. It's just it seems so very simple to me, the existance of God. Around here it's gets to be made much more complicated than I think it is. So I just posted some of the things that show to me that there is a God. Whether or not you want to believe it's the Christian God or some other god, it just seems so plain to me that God has to exist.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 115 of 417 (26267)
12-11-2002 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by John
12-10-2002 10:23 PM


quote:
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Where do you get your information and knowledge?
From my own experience and from the experiences of others as recorded historically in books. However, I don't put one of them on a pedastal and call it infallible.
Then it still comes from a book then doesn't it. So you can't fault me for getting mine from a book. A book told me so does mean something. That's a pathetic rebutal.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 137 of 417 (26339)
12-11-2002 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by John
12-11-2002 2:07 PM


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So you don't have any excuse for this kind of statement. It's the same as a racial prejudice.
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Don't need one and no it isn't.
That's the logic of a 4 year old johnny. It's a stereotype. It's wrong. There is plenty of evidence to say alot of things about a lot of groups of people. (i will avoid examples so as not to offend anyone else) You haven't met every Christian and your aarogant mockery and insults don't go to far in bringing out the best in people. This said you promote this stereotype of Christians, it is a stereotype and nothing less. Every stereotype has some form of evidence to the small minded people who want to fit people into a stereotype. Does not make that stereotype correct. I can't believe you have the audacity to even argue this. You have no case.
Anyways this thread was supposed to be about God talking, not your religious intolerance.
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