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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 4 of 47 (24092)
11-24-2002 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Zhimbo
11-24-2002 4:00 PM


Interesting. So you are positive it was originally greek? This comes before my favorite verse. Don't see why it's considered stolen or faultily translated, even if the greeks did use it first maybe Jesus was just using this analogy with his own twist, just to use something farmiliar in order to clearly state a point. just a thought
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 22 of 47 (25484)
12-04-2002 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Peter
11-25-2002 7:37 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
quote:
Originally posted by blitz77:
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Going to have to correct you again, Blitz (sorry!)
No problem. A rope or camel can't pass through the eye of a needle, so it doesn't make too much of a difference which it is

It does if you want to claim biblical inerrancy.
If one word can be mistranslated, then why not others ... and
if the bible is the word of God and all translators are
touched by him to reveal the true word of God, how can it even
happen?

I don't see how a mistranslated word that doesn't affect the meaning of the verse discredits the bible. It would be impossible to my knowledge to translate the bible into all languages and maintain an exact translation. If we take into account that some cultures have a great many words for a similiar thing. The Inuit have something like 20 words for snow. All of which we could translate only to snow.
Words are only a vessel to contain a meaning. I do not see in this particular case where the new vessel has lost it's meaning. I think we all know that language is flawed, words over time, gain too broad a definition or multiple definitions. A word can imply quite a different thing, in contrast to it's intended definition. However this is not the case here the meaning is not lost.
The idea that a man who loves his riches is not likely to enter into the kingdom of heaven, is very much still there.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 23 of 47 (25493)
12-04-2002 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by doctrbill
11-29-2002 8:15 PM


[quote]Even if both genealogies worked for purposes of the argument, the case breaks down for other reasons. There are many messianic prophecies which Jesus did not fulfill.
Jesus did not bring home the Jews dispersed among heathen nations.
He did not sit on the Throne of David (i.e. become king and rule Israel).
He did not save Israel from its enemies (i.e. the occupation army of Rome).
And he did not restore the sovereign State of Israel.
Failure to accomplish these requisites disqualifies him from the title: "Messiah".
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Jesus yet lives if you were to believe in him. This gives him some time on these prophesies. He may have gone to prepare a whole new Jerusalem in which he will fulfill these prophesies that you pointed out. To sit on the throne of David. The bible also talks of another enemy one that is greater than Rome. Ephesians 6 says this:
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
Maybe this is the enemy that Jesus was sent to free Israel from. Instead of the Romans. The kingdom of heaven Jesus speaks of may be this new Jerusalem. A kingdom that knows no earthly borders. I believe it was Napoleon though I'm not sure about this who once said that Jesus had built a greater empire without raising a sword than all of the great conquerors put together. From a man who knows about empires this gives some credibility to the kingdom of heaven.
I'm sure that I have poorly worded this and left out detail I should have included. However I think that the Jews may have taken these prophesies to mean that he would do all these things in the manner they expected. Then he rebuilds Israel as an eternal nation, where he sits on the throne as an eternal king. An Israel that is freed from it's enemies and bondage eternally.
Is it possible that you have misinterperted these prophesies to mean an earthly kingdom when God really meant to build a lasting kindom?
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 24 of 47 (25604)
12-05-2002 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by funkmasterfreaky
12-04-2002 7:50 PM


. I can't believe this has sat here for so long without being destroyed.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 26 of 47 (25621)
12-05-2002 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by John
12-05-2002 2:44 PM


I know that saying a prophesy is not finished is not taken well around here. The thing is I think alot of prophesy has been interperted incorrectly. The kingdom of heaven Jesus spoke of can be seen. He does sit on the throne, and he is gathering his people to him. He has delivered us from the enemy that matters. And i think it is also prophesied that his kingdom is to be an eternal one. Which gives weight to the new Jerusalem. I'm not sure about all the end times prophesy from eziekel and revelations, I personally think too many of us get caught up in trying to figure out what it all means instead of showing Jesus love. So to me these prophesies pertaining to the Messiah are not waiting to be fulfilled rather are fulfilled but we have taken them to mean something we can comprehend. "As the heavens are above the earth, so are my thoughts above your thoughts" (quote from God ) I guess this seems shaky and it could be wrong though it doesn't seem so to me. This is how I understand it anyway.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 29 of 47 (25788)
12-06-2002 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Karl
12-06-2002 3:29 AM


quote:
1 Corinthians
22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
I wanted to post this verse when I ran across it last week. However I was not sure what context to use it in. It made perfect sense to me and I took some comfort in this. The funny thing is that the Jews got miraculous signs when Jesus was alive, and they like critics today tried to explain it away. The teachings of Jesus cannot be called foolish by any stretch of the imagination. Yet still the gospel message is considered foolish.
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