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mick Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 913 Joined: |
This is not on topic here. Do not respond. christian writes:
1) The Bible geneologies are fictitious.
Highly unlikely since the people back then knew who their relatives were and if the geneologies were fictitious, people would've had something to say about it. However this has very little to do with the topic.
Hmmmn. Are you seriously suggesting that the Bible genealogies are reliable? Here is a quote from the King James bible, Chronicles 2, chapter 24, verse 20:
bible writes: Then the Spirit of God took possession of Zechari'ah the son of Jehoi'ada the priest and from Matthew chapter 23, verse 35:
bible writes: that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechari'ah the son of Barachi'ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. And a lot more where that came from (but as you say, perhaps for another post)! DNA kind of helps sort out these conflicts.... Mick This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 11-04-2005 11:38 PM
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
The Biblical geneologies are NOT on topic here.
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today9823  Inactive Member |
you see our soul gives life to the body and the fact that we each have different creation power and the fact that the eyeball is there is because creation power! uuuuhhhhh where did we get that from?! From God himself and I'm right on the target on that one!
Love Richard
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today9823  Inactive Member |
of course we have the ability to change our lives... that is not the issue but rather we have a maximum of the power it takes to change that body of ours
a power to change from their current body building a new body by soul cells and thought is definitely a creation along with your words... NO explore your insides doing these things... think...say...(do again and concentrate on your insides Love Richard
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Lithodid-Man Member (Idle past 2931 days) Posts: 504 From: Juneau, Alaska, USA Joined: |
Mick,
I really like your example, I would love a good ref for your picture. I think it answers many creo arguments. I am an invertebrate zoologist, and find that my examples get snowed over by ignorance. The loss of a head (as in front where a brain might be) was lost in rostroconchs and their descendants the bivalved mollusks and scaphopods is viewed as 'changes within a kind'. As an aside, I like your avatar and was wondering where it came from. It is Pandalus platyceros, P. borealis, P. hypsinotus, another P. borealis, and P. goniurus. Definatley an E Pacific group. (I am a caridean shrimp biologist in Alaska).
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Ok, today, last warning from me (others may react more quickly).
On more wild spam of a post that is not to do with the topic and you are going to be suspended.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
The diagram had me a bit confused at first - I guess I was looking at it geologically, with the progression being bottom (oldest) to top (youngest). I just want to clarifiy that the progression is from upper left to lower right.
I haven't been following this topic real closely, but your diagram (IMO) is still a tree. I guess you could call it a branching chain. Would it be accurate to say that the various line junctions would represent the proverbial "missing links" (no chain pun intended)? A common ancestor to the species that came later? Moose
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
9823 writes: Why are you changing the message of Christianity where we allow Gods power and love to change us (through relationship and communion) into some sort of metaphysical gnosticism whereby we imagine our own destiny and control our creative power? You are sounding dangerously like a Gnostic Pantheist! Better back off the metaphysical christianity....its not kosher and its not orthodox!
building a new body by soul cells and thought is definitely a creation along with your words... NO explore your insides doing these things... think...say...(do again and concentrate on your insides
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION ppl.
Evolutionary chain...lets keep on topic
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Yes, that leaves out a lot of family members, but it shows who his direct ancestors were. No, it doesn't. If you go back in a chain, you don't see all his direct ancestors. Everybody has two parents, not just one; both of those parents are his direct ancestors; all four of his great-grandparents are his direct ancestors; all eight of his great-great-grandparents are his direct ancestors, etc. See the pattern? It's a tree, not a chain.
Highly unlikely since the people back then knew who their relatives were and if the geneologies were fictitious, people would've had something to say about it. Excuse me? The geneologies in the Bible weren't written down until centuries after the events they detail. There would have been nobody at the time of writing who would have been able to verify or corroborate or challenge the geneologies. They're fictional.
Simplifying the geneologies is useful to show more clearly who the ancestors were. But you don't see all the ancestors. That's the point. There's hundreds of individuals who would be direct ancestors who are left out of those geneologies.
With a simple chain I could look at each species and determine if I agree that it is plausible that this species evolved from the previous one. That's not even how species evolve, though. You're asking to see something that isn't possible, based on the reality of heredity and speciation.
Well, It's lovely to look forward and imagine the tree of ancestors I will have, but it does very little to prove or disprove evolution. So lets work backwards. You've misunderstood me. Not forwards from you to your decendants; forwards from your ancestors to you.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6496 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
This is a great point Christian! And it's a perfect illustration of how evolution works.
Imagine having a photograph of every person your husband descends from going back 14 generations. How alike do you think their going to be? Now imagine that all you had was the photographs. And you knew they were related somehow. All you would have to go by is the pictures. You would probably not come up with a direct line, but you would come up with a set of possible candidates based on morphological analysis and dating techniques. (test the photographs for age etc.) That's what we got basically. Does that make sense? This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-05-2005 04:35 PM
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Gave the idea a POTM.
I wonder if there's an example of such available on the web. Would be interesting to see. I don't think there's much of a photographic history for my personal ancestory. Especially since my father was orphened at a very young age. Moose
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Crash, you were warned about the topic a day ago.
I'm without my own PC till tuesday or I would suspend you right now. I'll see you Tuesday and I'll be able to post much faster on my new machine ( cause it is a Athalon 64 2800+ instead of an old 866) .
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Crash, you were warned about the topic a day ago. What are you talking about? The topic is "evolutionary chains", which is the title of the thread, and that's the subject of my post. I guess I don't understand how you think I'm off-topic.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6496 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Hey crash, I think hes refering to the bit about geneologies in the bible.
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