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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 1 of 4 (258084)
11-09-2005 9:45 AM


The opening lines of the Torah lend themselves to more than one interpretation and may have nothing to do with creation ex nihilo. So, for example, ...



The common translation reflects that of the Jewish Publication Society (JPS)
  • In the beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth.
  • Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of G-d hovered over the face of the water.
  • And G-d said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light.


  • However, according to the highly proclaimed and authoritative Stone Edition Tanach renders the 1st verse as ...
  • In the beginning of God's creating the heavens and the earth


  • ... and treats verse to as a parenthetical.


    Similarly, Etz Hayim offers ...
  • When God began to create heaven and earth
  • -- the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water --
  • God said: "Let there be light"; and there was light.


  • ... and notes in its commentary:
    1. When God began to create The conventional English translation reads: "In the begining God created the heaven and the earth." The translation presented here looks to verse 3 for the completion of the sentence and takes verse 2 to be parenthetical, describing the state of things at the time when God first spoke. Support for understanding the text in this way comes from the second half of 2:4 and of 5:1, both of which refer to Creation and begin with the word "when".


    2. unformed and void The Hebrew for this phrase (tohu va-vohu) means "desert waste." The point of the narrative is the idea of order that results from divine intent. There is no suggestion here that God made the world out of nothing, which is a much later conception.
    What we have in the more modern translations of the Torah is not creation ex nihilo but the creation of order out of chaos, i.e., "First Cause" is simply not addressed.

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    Message 2 of 4 (258087)
    11-09-2005 9:52 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by ConsequentAtheist
    11-09-2005 9:45 AM


    A home for da topic
    Hey, C.A....where do you want this to go? Bible Study? Faith and Belief?

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    Message 3 of 4 (258094)
    11-09-2005 10:03 AM
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    11-09-2005 9:52 AM


    Re: A home for da topic
    Torah ... er, oops ... Bible Study.

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    Message 4 of 4 (258095)
    11-09-2005 10:04 AM


    Thread copied to the Genesis 1:1-3 thread in the Bible Study forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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