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Author Topic:   Cholesterol - A Real Example of Scientists Misleading the Public or Just More Bunk?
Jazzns
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Message 1 of 9 (258612)
11-10-2005 4:03 PM


I stumbled upon this link recently:
Sidan finns inte - Uffe Ravnskov
Besides the interesting prospects of:
1. Little to no proof of causation between high LDL cholesterol and heart disease.
2. How little impact one can actually have on their cholesterol by diet alone.
3. The impact of cholesterol reducing drugs.
4. How high LDL cholesterol is associated with a higher resistence to infection.
5. Infection being a significant cause of diseases normally attributed to cholesterol.
This site seems to be insinuating that the real research about the truth of cholesterol is being hidden from the public and conclusions about the real effects of cholesterol both good and bad are being shoved under the rug.
The site itself seems pretty well written but then again so does the ICR to a layman on the topic. I want to discuss 2 things and try to keep this pretty focused.
1. Anyone who is knowledgeable about the particular subject matter can you please help decipher if any of this stuff is actually true. I recently found out that my cholesterol is very high yet I consider myself to have rather excellent eating habits.
2. Is this a legetimate example of the masses being misled by bunk science or is the critique itself bunk? How can we the unguided masses be expected to tell the difference?
PLEASE lets not get off into hypothesized instances of science misleading in other fields. No discussion about embryos, Piltdown man, archeoraptor, etc. I will ask moderators to kindly step in if this gets into other topics. I would like to focus on THIS case and if it is an example of misleading science.
Moderators please put this topic in a forum that you feel is appropriate. It does not relate to EvC but it seems to be familiar to some of the other topics about science fraud. Perhaps "Is It Science?".
Thanks,
{Edit - Added the "Cholesterol -" to the topic title, to help define the topic. Wanted to add "Cholesterol and Disease -", but that exceded the number of characters permitted - Adminnemooseus}
This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-10-2005 08:46 PM

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3933 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 5 of 9 (258657)
11-10-2005 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by nwr
11-10-2005 5:46 PM


Re: Bypassing peer review
With regards to this issue are the two topics from the main page:
7 Many of these facts have been presented in scientific journals and books for decades but are rarely told to the public by the proponents of the diet-heart idea.
8 The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press.
Is it commong to publish a meta issue of ignorance or misuse in the very journals where these reports originate? It may very well be I just don't know.
The second point would be the claim that this information is already in the scientific literature but is then misused in practice by other scientists and medical professionals. If this were the case then I would consider it to be their job as the professionals to be aware of the most recent research in their fields and that I think is where the claim of misleading comes from. I can neither validate that these things actually exist in the literature though or tell if this is the case with regards to the medical profession.

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3933 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 9 of 9 (259960)
11-15-2005 1:29 PM


Bump
Anyone else want to give their expert/armchair opinion?

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

  
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