A big decision

'Cause God told you to (through Brain).

So it looks like you will be pursuing Philosophy since you said that you dis not want to be a "Theologian". To really understand the bible and its origins (as man interprets them) and to understand religion, one needs Theology. To spread the word of Jesus Christ and to understand Him fully, however, a Theology degree is not required...(in fact, no degree is required)...however, it is always useful to have some education so as to be able to express oneself on a variety of subjects. Education increases the capacity for communication.

prophex Could you please list these brilliant men? You are at home in a house not entirely made with natural materials and heated by natural gas I suspect and possibly eating processed foods while on a computer connected to the internet and you say it{science,the study of the natural world, physics} has no significance? You are in denial my friend.This message has been edited by sidelined, Sun, 2005-11-06 06:52 PM

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But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

prophex, back to the OP and question of studying theology and philosophy, I think you have to seriously consider whom you study such things from. What I mean by that is different schools are going to differ and differ a lot. Some basic courses may be similar, but you may want to think first a little bit about what you are after.Theology can be a wonderful and expansive subject, and just reading a lot of different theologians can be very useful; more useful than philosophy (imho), but at the same time, you may want to study religion in general, or perhaps biblical studies, depending on where you are coming from. For example, in studying Christian theology and the Bible, I came to the conclusion that some of the systematic approach of theology can be slightly warped, that God tended to bring about doctrine and revelation in the Bible through the visitation of His Spirit, and that this narrative aspect of God's dealing with man was very fundamental, as evidenced particularly in the gospels.For me taking up studying Church or Christian history was necessary to studying theology. Unfortunately, academia is a little weak in the area of the history of Christianity since often it has been dominated by religious agendas throughout history, by Roman Catholicism for a long time which literally killed other Christians and wrote their history as heretical, and then by Protestants, the earlier Reformers also killed other Christians, and now we see many anti-religionists and even atheists bringing their agenda to the table.But the real history of Christianity, if one takes the time to delve a little deeper into it and can find true scholarship, is worth understanding.For a good start, I would highly recommend a book called "The Reformers and Their Stepchildren." One's education in religious and Western history is simply incomplete without it.

What I mean is that science, while vastly important to us physically, and spurs gain of knowledge mentally, does not hold any significance when we die. Destiny has nothing to do with science, so why have your lives been devoted to a lost cause?

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well sure as planets come, i know that they end
and if i'm here when they happens, will you promise me this my friend?
please bury me with it
i just don't need none of that mad max bullshit

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Could you please list these brilliant men?

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"Philosophers from Ancient Greece."Or, I agree with them, either one.

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well sure as planets come, i know that they end
and if i'm here when they happens, will you promise me this my friend?
please bury me with it
i just don't need none of that mad max bullshit

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"Best" is subjective.

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So is "meaningless", and "worthless".

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Science, or the study of the natural world, physis, does not hold significance to me, to destiny, or to God.

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It holds no significance to you, and in fact, you have a great deal of disdain for it, yet you have no problem eating safe, wholesome food made possible by science, getting cures and preventative medicine made possible through science, and using all manner of technology like cars, electricity, computers, airplanes, telephones, weather forcasting, stereos, and recording equipment made possible through science, etc.Breathtaking hypocrisy.

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Destiny has nothing to do with science

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But biology is destiny. And biology is science. Ergo, science is destiny.By your logic, philosophy and theology do not hold any significance when you die, either, since you're dead and philosophy and theology are activities carried out by the living. So since everything is of no use to you once you're dead, why study anything at all?Perhaps it is an end in itself and its own reward? Something that pays off here and now and doesn't need to attempt to justify itself beyond your mortal span?Perhaps it's because while you are gone, your works remain and are to be built upon by those you leave behind.AbE: Changed "moral span" to "mortal span" above.This message has been edited by Rrhain, 11-23-2005 06:38 PM

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Philosophers throughout history have suffered from the demon drink. Maybe somebody will write a song about it one day Has anyone suggested prophex consider studying Rational Positivism at the University of Wallabaloo yet?

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I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

Honestly, if you really believe that science is meaningless you should turn off your computer right now and never use it again. Since that is science (you should also not drive a car, use electrical devices, etc. etc.)Do you realize that the work of scientists that are now dead is still helping to save lives today?The man who discovered anti-biotics is still saving lives every day. Hey may be gone, but his gift to humanity lives on...... Seems less than finite to me.

Prophex is, I believe, talking about his personal idea of what makes a fullfilled life. It is true thatif I had a cure for cancer and was a chemist, my "invention" would save lives well into the future, byt I believe that humans actually never really invent anything...we just rediscover what has always potentially existed. I would rather meet someone, get to know them, share the absolute truth of salvation with them, and know in my heart that God used me to bring someone into eternal life than find a method to increase human lifespans by 20 years. So what if people hung out on the Third Rock for twenty more years? That is nothing compared to eternity! This message has been edited by Phat, 12-28-2005 03:35 PM

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Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.

He didn't choose to be born at this time though.

I think Prophex is trying to say that he wishes to exist in an effort to not get caught up on the physical. The study of our reality, the features of it is a physical study. I feel he is trying to say he is above and beyond this reality, this existence.I don't think he's bashing anyone who thinks differently.