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arachnophilia
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Message 46 of 114 (262048)
11-21-2005 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Cold Foreign Object
11-21-2005 3:52 PM


Re: elohym and plurality
not a matter of opinion
you're right that it's not a matter of opinion.
"elohym" is used in conjunction with SINGULAR verbs. that means it's singular. period. if it were plural, it would not make sense to use it as if it were a singular.
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Message 47 of 114 (262066)
11-21-2005 4:31 PM
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11-21-2005 3:47 PM


Herepton writes:
source: Dr. Gene Scott, Ph.D. Stanford University.
quote:
Dr. Gene Scott earned his Ph.D. in Philosophies of Education at California's prestigious Stanford University in 1957; in 1992, he was the featured cover story for the Stanford Alumni Magazine. For over 40 years he has served as an ordained minister, including 15 years in the mission field and in executive capacities with major Protestant denominations and educational institutions, 15 years of which he was a Director, Vice President and President of the denomination before refusing re-election to concentrate on the Los Angeles pastorate.
- see drgenescott.org
I couldn't find the part suggesting any credentials whatsoever in the field of Biblical Hebrew, nor anything at all suggesting critical scholarship. You two clearly deserve one another.

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Message 48 of 114 (262069)
11-21-2005 4:37 PM



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Message 49 of 114 (262538)
11-22-2005 7:21 PM
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11-21-2005 4:37 PM


Could one expect an atheist to say anthing else about the greatest theist scholar of all time ?
Your approval would have supported our wrongness.
Your ad hom attacks = inability to refute.
Your misrepresentations = inability to refute - thats why you misrepresent.
CA: I am greatly comforted that you must resort to childish antics. Everyone here at EvC knows Dr. Scott is a pyramidologist, and I have argued the irrefutable truths in many debates, like here:
Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion Board
and here:
http://EvC Forum: PROOF OF GOD -->EvC Forum: PROOF OF GOD
I suggest you answer the points that have you in a tizzy and refrain from the pseudo-ad homs and poisoning the well tactics. The Great Pyramid proves how spectacular physical evidence proving the Bible is meaningless when God removes sense as a penalty for denying Him Creator credit.
Ray

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Message 50 of 114 (262541)
11-22-2005 7:33 PM
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11-22-2005 7:21 PM


i'm not an athiest, ray.
Could one expect an atheist to say anthing else about the greatest theist scholar of all time ?
i'm not an athiest. and i'm saying the same thing. seriously, i'm not even done with first semester beginning hebrew, and i can tell his argument is bunk.
Your ad hom attacks = inability to refute.
so far, you've proven that you can't you refute my points. can you read hebrew, ray? can dr. gene scott? and i don't mean that in an ad-hominem way, just that if you're going to make statements about a language, it's good to have some knowledge of it beyond strong's concordance. your points demonstrate that you do not.
Everyone here at EvC knows Dr. Scott is a pyramidologist
in most circles, the word "pyramidologist" conjurs images of cracked pots, and i don't mean pottery shards from the valley of the kings. the people who study pyramids, legitimately, are called "egyptologists" or "archaeologists."
and honestly, gene scott's up there with ron wyatt, gene ray, and kent hovind. nobody takes the guy seriously.

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Message 51 of 114 (262553)
11-22-2005 7:51 PM
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11-22-2005 7:33 PM


Re: i'm not an athiest, ray.
i'm not an athiest. and i'm saying the same thing.
Invoking a shield of theism or deism while arguing ordinary atheist philosophy and arguments makes you infinetly worse - a liar. At least CA is faithful to his worldview and philosophy.
so far, you've proven that you can't you refute my points. can you read hebrew, ray? can dr. gene scott? and i don't mean that in an ad-hominem way, just that if you're going to make statements about a language, it's good to have some knowledge of it beyond strong's concordance. your points demonstrate that you do not.
When you show yourself educated, maybe I will take your replies seriously. I suggest you first learn punctuation and grammar skills. Your enraged ad hom against a Stanford Ph.D. also proves my point how uneducated/sophmorish you are.
and honestly, gene scott's up there with ron wyatt, gene ray, and kent hovind. nobody takes the guy seriously.
Could one expect a Darwinist to say anything else ?
Your approval would have supported their wrongness.
Ray

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Message 52 of 114 (262555)
11-22-2005 7:57 PM
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11-22-2005 7:51 PM


Ray, falling back into old bad habits
any more of these nonsense rants and you'll get to take another vacation.

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 53 of 114 (262559)
    11-22-2005 8:20 PM
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    11-22-2005 7:51 PM


    Re: i'm not an athiest, ray.
    Invoking a shield of theism or deism while arguing ordinary atheist philosophy and arguments makes you infinetly worse - a liar. At least CA is faithful to his worldview and philosophy.
    theism or deism? i'm a christian, ray.
    When you show yourself educated, maybe I will take your replies seriously. I suggest you first learn punctuation and grammar skills. Your enraged ad hom against a Stanford Ph.D. also proves my point how uneducated/sophmorish you are.
    grammar nazism is the surest sign of a failed argument. is that all you can say in defense? that i don't sound educated because i neglect to capitalize correctly? how is that not an ad-hominem?
    shall we look up the history of capitalization? i think you'll find that originally, one used either all capitals or all uncials. AND I FIND THE OTHER WAY A LOT EASIER TO READ. but perhaps, if i play along, you'll read it this time:
    quote:
    So far, you've proven that you can't you refute my points. Can you read Hebrew, Ray? Can Dr. Gene Scott read Hebrew? And I don't mean that in an ad-hominem way. I just mean that if you're going to make statements about a language, it's good to have some knowledge of it beyond Strong's Concordance. Your points demonstrate that you do not have that understanding.
    Could one expect a Darwinist to say anything else ?
    Your approval would have supported their wrongness.
    ray, i'm debating ray right now strictly based on the hebrew language. what the heck does this have to do with darwin? the guy doesn't know any hebrew, at all. 3rd grader in israel could easily refute his points about the bible -- that's not an exageration. my hebrew professor describes our class level as "3rd grade in israel."
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    Message 54 of 114 (262560)
    11-22-2005 8:23 PM
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    11-22-2005 7:57 PM


    Re: Ray, falling back into old bad habits
    any more of these nonsense rants and you'll get to take another vacation.
    Where was any rant ? You have made a mistake. The rant was in the post I responded to. If you believe I am in error then please paste the rant and explain how and compare it to what I responded to ?
    If not I will gladly take a vacation.
    Ray

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    Message 55 of 114 (262568)
    11-22-2005 8:31 PM
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    11-22-2005 8:23 PM


    Re: Ray, falling back into old bad habits
    Invoking a shield of theism or deism while arguing ordinary atheist philosophy and arguments makes you infinetly worse - a liar.
    When you show yourself educated, maybe I will take your replies seriously.
    Your enraged ad hom against a Stanford Ph.D. also proves my point how uneducated/sophmorish you are.
    also proves my point how uneducated/sophmorish you are.
    Could one expect a Darwinist to say anything else ?
    Your approval would have supported their wrongness.
    Any more of that nonsense ray and you're outta here yet again.

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    Message 56 of 114 (262572)
    11-22-2005 8:41 PM
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    Re: Admin abusing power
    I very calmly and repsectfully asked you to explain HOW my comments could be viewed as nonsense or rant. In reply you repeated your groundless charge.
    I must conclude what is obvious: you are daring me to expose the fact that you have no clothes/point, but are in fact defending a child who plainly wrote nonsense and rants.
    Asserting what I wrote to be nonsense or a rant does not make it so because you have an Admin hat on. In reality, you are cut by my points and are lashing out by abusing your power.
    You have made an error by posting as an Admin and not a private member.
    I ask you once again; support your charges objectively or rely on the Emperor has no clothes metaphor.
    Ray

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    Message 57 of 114 (262575)
    11-22-2005 8:52 PM
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    Ray is off for awhile
    Bye ray, take a short suspension.

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    Message 58 of 114 (262577)
    11-22-2005 8:55 PM
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    Re: Admin abusing power
    I must conclude what is obvious: you are daring me to expose the fact that you have no clothes/point, but are in fact defending a child who plainly wrote nonsense and rants
    i assume that child is me.
    what was nonsense about my posts? if it made no sense to you, perhaps that illustrates my point: you're pretending like you have some understanding of hebrew.
    you, now, have turned to calling me a "darwinist" and an "atheist" because i have caught YOUR emporer with his pants down.
    i'm sorry i said something against your beloved leader, but he's wrong.

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    Message 59 of 114 (262652)
    11-23-2005 9:14 AM
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    Re: Ray is off for awhile
    Hello Jar, just thought you'd like to see (if you'd not noticed it already) dear ol' Ray being delighted to see me, why he was pleased, and why I wasn't so pleased to find out 'Herepton' is Willow... //http://www.///cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=9&t=101&m=38#36 (and following).

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    Message 60 of 114 (265060)
    12-02-2005 1:47 PM
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    11-18-2005 4:48 PM


    I must conclude since CA went on a ad hom rage against Dr. Scott AFTER message 39 - this means his race card ploy backfired as is seen in his refusal to condemn the Wellhausen school for the same.
    Ray Martinez

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