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mick
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Message 1 of 136 (263003)
11-24-2005 8:50 PM


Britain has finally introduced 24 hour drinking. To celebrate, the leftwing Guardian (concerned with the wellbeing of society's worst off ) sent a junior reporter on a 24-hour drinking spree, blogged live with the intention that drukedness be portrayed as amusing and macho.
Meanwhile, the Guardian urges France to "snap out of its state of denial" and "denormalise drinking", noting that "drink is the third greatest cause of avoidable deaths in France."
It also chronicles in detail the death of the famous soccer player, Goerge Best:
Guardian writes:
Best, 59, has spent years battling alcoholism and underwent a liver transplant in 2002. But he ignored pleas to stay off the booze after the operation and was admitted to hospital on October 1 this year suffering from a flu-like infection.
As a long-term alcoholic, I find this all very depressing.
I'm not sure what to say about people's right to choose their own lifestyle. But it fills me with dread. I am a person who's life has been pretty screwed up by alcohol, and will probably die young because of it.
Don't know what to say. I feel let down by the Guardian, let down by supposed "lefties" pushing for easier access to alcohol. Don't know what to say.
Mick
in edit: I forgot to ask the significant question: WHY THE FUCK IS ALCOHOL LEGAL?
From the French report:
French report in the Guardian writes:
A third of all custodial sentences in this country, half of all domestic violence, a third of all handicaps are due to alcohol," he said. "One French person in 10 is ill as a result of alcohol, and every day five French people die after an accident linked to alcohol
This message has been edited by mick, 11-24-2005 09:12 PM

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mick
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Message 3 of 136 (263006)
11-24-2005 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
11-24-2005 9:13 PM


Re: No easy solution
nwr writes:
I've never pushed for easier access. And I have never pushed for harder access. I guess I have always been ambivalent.
Yes, I've ALWAYS agreed with that.
But...
A half of all domestic violence (in France) is caused by alcohol abuse.
That's a LOT of domestic violence. And I'm guessing that it's viollence perpetrated by men against their wives, partners, and children.
Is it possible that ambivalence is not the right attitude?
Mick
in edit: In the seventies, drunk driving was considered acceptable (amusing, macho, etc). But over the nineties, it became unacceptable by the vast majority of people. The same thing happened with not wearing safety belts, and lots of other things. In the UK, and much of Euopre, but not so much in America, if you drive a car while drunk, you are castigated by your entire community.
I'm just wondering whether there might be a way of having a similar change of mindset with regard to "getting pissed". Because it would help every single person in society if that came to pass.
MIck
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mick
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Message 5 of 136 (263008)
11-24-2005 9:39 PM
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11-24-2005 9:35 PM


Hi funkaloyd,
Please see the "in edit" part of my previous post. I'm suggesting that an anti-"pissed" movement could achieve somthing like the "anti-drunk driving" movement.
No idea how it would be achieved, though.
Mick

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mick
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Message 39 of 136 (263366)
11-26-2005 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Silent H
11-25-2005 6:50 AM


Re: tough love...
Holmes writes:
The important thing is to move on and channel your energies into enjoying those other interests which you can handle, but some other poor slob cannot.
And this will really sound cold-hearted, but in a way allowing others to drink and suffer as they will, is what gives everyone (including that person) concrete examples of why moderation is important. Laws are not as useful as lessons in life.
You're right, of course!
But it can be kind of painful to see my own problems being replayed over and over again in so many individuals' and families' lives. Alcohol is often seen as "most people are able to enjoy it, a minority are unable to and have to steer clear from it". Well that's true as far as it goes, but when we have figures like "50% of domestic violence in France inolves alcohol use" it looks like there is a problem in more than than the minority of cases. "Alcoholism" itself is a technical term and you can define it how you like, almost certainly as a minority, but the problems exacerbated by alcohol use are far more common than people believe. To be honest I'm less concerned with the health consequences on alcoholics themselves than on the consequences on their families and communities.
Anyway, I'm not sure where this is going now...
Mick

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