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Message 13 of 306 (263646)
11-27-2005 11:30 PM

Reply to: Message 12 by nwr
11-27-2005 11:16 PM

Subjects of an objective reality

Imagine a King. A King who was, is, and always will be. A Creator who created you and I before we could even think to imagine Him. Now, I explain to you, He is the object of my Faith. I am His subject.

My love for Him is subjective, for I am human. Having given my life to Him, I allow His objective to become my objective. This involves a lifelong process, to be sure. "Subject to change." Subject WILL change. My Brothers and Sisters and I will change together.

Not because of a loud preacher! Not because of the Bible! We will change because He who began a good work in us will be faithful to complete it! That we may be as one, even as He and His Father are one.

Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere.
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We arrive at truth, not by reason only, but also by the heart.
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Heb 4:12-13-- For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Holy Spirit--speaking through the Apostle Paul

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Message 14 of 306 (263648)
11-27-2005 11:39 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by joshua221
11-27-2005 9:55 PM

S'cuse Him, while He makes the Sky!

Twindrix writes:

This abyss of existence is more than it seems, we have purpose, that purpose lies within ourselves in our hearts, and minds, and souls. And this isn't subjective, this is real, this is true. Without it we would be worthless, and we are not worthless my friend, we are special. What we all do matters, and everything happens for a reason.

Touche!

In fact, I could rephrase what you stated. I could say that we have purpose, and that purpose is an objective. That objective is to know Christ. To know Him who lives in our hearts,and our minds, and our souls! Without Him we are empty. Filling the void with twinkies, or beers, or pot, or heartless sex! Unable to come to a realization of the truth, for without a Love for it, emptiness is the final destination. Hell is not about demons, pitchforks, and frustrated frenzied agony so much as it is about emptiness. A picture of a dead man...a dead woman...with no life within them for they left themselves empty.
nihilism \n-e-li-zem, ne-he-\ n 1 : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless 2 : anarchism 3 : terrorism nihilist \-list\ n or adj nihilistic \n-e-lis-tik, ne-he-\ adj

Jesus declared that Satan had nothing In Him. Why? Because His Father filled Him! Jesus had sense and had a use. He still does!
He lives on!

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Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere.
Pensées (1670)

We arrive at truth, not by reason only, but also by the heart.
Pensées (1670)

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Message 15 of 306 (263651)
11-28-2005 12:30 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
11-27-2005 12:16 AM

Nix to Nihilism

Nihilists "Bible" writes:

O ye hypocrites, will you paint the world blue and call that a purpose? Just as well that as the other, the giving of alms or the care of the sick or washing the feet of the Master. It is all arbitrary.

How can anything be declared arbitrary without an arbitrator? Philosophy itself is vain and hollow as it lifts human wisdom unto itself as the standard and the definition of reality.

nwr writes:

If we want purpose in our lives, we must look within, rather than without. For it is of the nature of the subjective that it comes from within.

I agree that one must look within, but one cannot look within until one realizes that meaning is found through the eyes of One whom is not only within us, but is enveloping us as well!

NIV writes:

Eccl 1:10--
Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

So who is the arbitrator? Is it our own vain and hollow philosophies?

NIV writes:

Eccl 12:8-13-- "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher."Everything is meaningless!"
Not only was the Teacher wise, but also he imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.
The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails-given by one Shepherd. Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.
Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.
Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole [duty] of man.

Fear God? Does the Bible contradict itself??? Perhaps we should take everything within context.....

NIV writes:

Job 28:28-
'The fear of the Lord-that is wisdom,
and to shun evil is understanding.'"

Finally, in defense of this Fear Factor, I offer a wee bit more scripture:

NIV writes:

Luke 12:4-7-- But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Why is it so easy to say that one has no fear of death and yet deny needing to have a reverant fear of God? The Arbitrator? 9-11 brought up a great national fear.

It turns out that many reacted at first with reverance and repentance and then, turning to the idolatry of patriotism and worship of the flag and the freedom for which it stands, we had no fear of anything...and now reap the consequences of our arrogance!

Nihilism frees the mind from fear of anything....yet death awaits the nihilist as surely as the Sun sets. There is a Light, however, that shines in the darkness of our blackened souls, and the darkness does not understand this Light. I say this: Let us understand our worth! We are nothing without He who is the Creator of everything!

In other words, our intellectual evolution leads to nothing without acknowledgment of the Creator of everything.

parasomnium writes:

The closest we can get to objectivity is to say that the purpose of life is to live it.

I agree that living life is itself an objective. However,

NIV writes:

Mark 8:36-37
6 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?

Ask yourself who the arbitrator is? Hint: It ain't Richard Dawkins!

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