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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i know, right? i'm an A grad student... i'm a failure at life and i need an intervention.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
not all heavy drinkers are alcoholics. there is a difference defined by need.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You forgot a beginning sequence ...
emptiness 1:1 in the beginning was the beginning of the beginning for before the beginning there was no beginning emptiness 1:2 in the beginning was the beginning of the end for there can be no end without a beginning emptiness 1:3 thus everything was ordained from beginning to end emptiness 1:4 everything that is came after the beginning for it was not there at the beginning emptiness 1:5 we cannot know what was ordained because we were not there emptiness 1:6 thus everything is illusion. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: True.
quote: I think that alcoholism is defined a bit broader than that. You can be physically addicted to alcohol, and you can also be emotionally dependent upon it, use it as a way to "self-medicate" one's emotional pain, or as a way to calm insecurity and give a sense of confidence. It is a psychoactive drug that makes you feel euphoria and confidence. If one likes that feeling much more than being in one's own sober skin, so much so that one tries to feel that way as much as one can, then I'd say you have a problem with alcohol as an emotional crutch.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
It is a psychoactive drug that makes you feel euphoria and confidence.
It has never had that effect on me. Maybe that's why I don't have an alcohol problem.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
yes, maybe. But euphoria and confidence is the typical feeling described.
At least, by happy drunks.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I reckon in any case, that if life has no externally-derived meaning then there is no such thing as wasting time - which could be said to be spending time in a meaningless (or in a less-than-optimally-meaningful) way Oddly enough, I agree. If you're doing what you choose to do, then I don't see how your time is being "wasted."
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i did not define need as physical. but either way, your distinction is invalid.
chemical dependence is a result of the brain's demand for a specific reaction caused by the substance. this results in both physical and emotional reactions.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, you are defining "alcoholic" as only someone with a physical addiction. That is not how it's defined by most psychological or health care agencies. There often is a physical craving for alcohol, but there doesn't have to be. Here's some definitions I found:
link Definition Alcohol dependence is a chronic pattern of alcohol abuse. An alcoholic gets used to the effects of alcohol and requires more alcohol to get the desired effect. This is called tolerance. A person with alcohol dependence may experience an uncontrollable need for alcohol. link A chronic disease characterized by a strong craving for alcohol, a constant or periodic reliance on use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, the inability to limit drinking, physical illness when drinking is stopped, and the need for increasing amounts of alcohol to feel its effects. link A need for repeated doses of alcohol to feel good or to avoid feeling bad. link Alcoholism is a dependency on alcohol characterized by craving (a strong need to drink), loss of control (being unable to stop drinking despite a desire to do so), physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms, and tolerance (increasing difficulty of becoming drunk).
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
good job. you're affirming what i said and telling me i'm wrong.
want to know what psychology says? it says alcohol abuse and dependance is no different than that of any other drug.psychoactive drugs affect the brain in specific ways. they cause receptors to behave differently. this creates chemical changes in the brain. the brain's chemistry causes its emotions. thus, your distinction between physical and emotional addiction is superfluous and mistaken. The American Psychiatric Association has developed strict criteria for the clinical diagnosis of abuse and dependence. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual”IV (DSM-IV) defines abuse as: * A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by one (or more) of the following, occurring within a 12-month period:1. recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, home (e.g., repeated absences or poor work performance related to substance use; substance-related absences, suspensions, or expulsions from school; neglect of children or household) 2. recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous (e.g., driving an automobile or operating a machine when impaired by substance use) 3. recurrent substance-related legal problems (e.g., arrests for substance-related disorderly conduct) 4. continued substance use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of the substance (e.g., arguments with spouse about consequences of intoxication, physical fights) * The symptoms have never met the criteria for Substance Dependence for this class of substances. [DSM-IV, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, ed. 4. Washington DC: American Psychiatric Association (AMA). 1994.] Most often, abuse is diagnosed in individuals who recently began using alcohol. Over time, abuse may progress to dependence. However, some alcohol users abuse alcohol for long periods without developing dependence. Dependence is suspected when alcohol use is accompanied by signs of the following: * Abuse* Compulsive drinking behavior * Tolerance * Withdrawal DSM-IV defines dependence as: * A maladaptive pattern of substance use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period:1. tolerance, as defined by either of the following: o a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve intoxication or desired effect o markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of substance 2. withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following: o the characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance o the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms 3. the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended 4. there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use 5. a great deal of time is spent in activities to obtain the substance, use the substance, or recover from its effects 6. important social, occupational or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use 7. the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (e.g., continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption) [DSM-IV, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, ed. 4. Washington DC: American Psychiatric Association (AMA). 1994.] i apologize for the ridiculous web source, but i have yet to go out and buy a dsm iv since i'm not a psych major and google only can help so much. This message has been edited by brennakimi, 11-27-2005 05:33 PM i'm worldwide bitch, act like ya'll don't know.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I'll accept those definitions.
However, according to your source a couple of the signs of dependency are an increased tolerance and also abuse of alcohol, i.e. binge drinking or drinking to exess. Definitions aside, it is undeniable that many, many people use alcohol to avoid dealing with their problems.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
RAZD writes: Once while riding through an intersection I was almost hit by three...count em...three separate cars. The fist sped past me only to then slow down abruptly to make the right hand turn in front of me, just like in your story. I hit my brakes pretty hard and he saw me in his rear-view mirror as I waved with just that one finger. ... being cutoff by a car making a right turn just after passing me and then braking hard to make the turn (with a bicycle hanging out of the trunk) ... Upon seeing this though, the car waiting to cross the intersection (from my left to my right) decided that he should probably just go for it as well, almost hitting me in the process...but rather than stopping he simply swerved out around me as I hit my brakes for the second time after traveling about three feet from my previous close call. And then the car waiting BEHIND this asshole decided that since the guy in front of him (the guy that had just nearly broadsided me in his rush to get through the intersection) had already come to his stop (before almost killing me), he didn't need to himself, so he made his left (in front of me...now headed in my direction) nearly ramming me from the side. These occurred over about a four second time span and about 10 feet of distance. I simply lifted my hands up in the air and stated: "WTF people, do none of you know how to friggen drive?!"
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
psychology doesn't regard alcoholism as existing. it is only defined as alcohol abuse. it is the lay society that named alcoholism.
it doesn't matter why people abuse a substance, simply that they do.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
ok, wow, that's quite a story.
And that's quite the beautiful fish you've got there.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So what is alcohol dependence? Definitions aside, it is undeniable that many, many people use alcohol to avoid dealing with their problems. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-28-2005 04:25 PM
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