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crashfrog
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Message 26 of 134 (263011)
11-24-2005 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Silent H
11-24-2005 12:26 PM


Re: Astonishing
There are no intrinsic bad effects with sex. That is what we were built to do and enjoy.
Could we include the intrinsic risks of any physical and frictive activity? Sprains, aches, chafing, rashes, allergic reactions to materials, etc. Also it can be rough on your bedsheets.
I guess a lot of that stuff is accidental. It's the rubbing of sensitive parts, and physical exertion, and the exchange of sticky fluids. There's inherent risks there, to your person and property, but obviously the inherent negatives of sex can't be extreme; as you say, we're built to do it and enjoy it.
Although I wonder what your opinion is of people who don't seem to be built to enjoy it; so-called "asexual" people. Is that simply a third sort of orientation - "none of the above" - or a sexual dysfunction?

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crashfrog
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Message 30 of 134 (263059)
11-25-2005 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Ben!
11-25-2005 9:56 AM


Re: Astonishing
Establishing norms seems fine, but calling what is outside of them, whether we're talking about behavioral or physical traits, seems to me taking a wrongly judgmental standpoint (given an evolution view of things).
Well, if we're going to take that view, then haven't you just eliminated the entire medical profession? If recognizing an abnormality as something to be treated is "judgemental", then what's to stop us from demanding that doctors stop treating eczema, or hair loss, or even fatal diseases?
I know that, in the past, differences that we recognize as legitimate now were then held to be pathogenic. But I think we should be vary wary of "defining deviancy down", and legitimizing abnormal conditions that prevent a person from experiencing the full range of life's experiences. (To answer a reasonable rebuttal question - yes, I would be in favor of a medical treatment that would turn hetero- and homosexuals into bisexuals, so that they would experience the full range of sexual experience. I'd even take such a treatment, myself.)
Hey, slightly off-topic, but germaine to the discussion - I learned a new word yesterday: "cisgendered". It's the opposite of "transgendered". It was coined for symmetry's sake, and to legitimize transsexuality by replacing the "transexual/normal" linguistic dichotomy with something more balanced. Probably old hat to you folks but I found it interesting.

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 134 (263153)
11-25-2005 10:05 PM
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11-25-2005 7:20 PM


Re: Astonishing
and what about "disgendered" ...?
I'm not certain that a human being can be considered genderless or ungendered, I don't think we'd have the mindset to approach someone in that way, so "disgendered" describes a situation that couldn't occur.

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crashfrog
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Message 57 of 134 (263230)
11-26-2005 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by RAZD
11-26-2005 10:00 AM


Re: Astonishing
what is the gender of all the posters on this forum?
In my mind? I'll be honest - male until proven otherwise. I challenge the honesty of anyone who answers differently.

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crashfrog
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Message 75 of 134 (263947)
11-28-2005 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Christian7
11-28-2005 8:40 PM


Uh-huh. You're always telling us how unlikely evolution is, but we're supposed to believe that you're the one teenage male who's not at all interested in naked women? Please.
At some point, your curiosity will overcome your fear. Hopefully it'll be a revelation to you; it was for me. Looking at porn never screwed anybody up, especially as teenagers. In fact it's not looking at porn, in my view, that screws people up. It might be illegal for you to see it where you live, I don't know, and I won't link to any, but someday you'll look at it.
You know how the OP talks about people who go insane because they have no sexual release? It's you he was talking about. Your obvious and dripping disdain for sexual enjoyment is going to seriously screw you up, I recommend getting over it as soon as possible.

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crashfrog
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Message 76 of 134 (263948)
11-28-2005 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by amun
11-28-2005 4:49 PM


Re: sexploitation or molestation?
I've always understood "innocent" to mean "not guilty of a crime." I don't understand why "innocent" to you means "totally ignorant about sex, a completely natural body function." I don't even begin to understand why you think that's an appropriate or enviable condition for a child. Is the sex you're having so bad that you wish you could forget all about it, or something?

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crashfrog
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Message 81 of 134 (264288)
11-29-2005 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by amun
11-29-2005 6:19 PM


Re: sexploitation or molestation?
How old are you?...
Old enough. You? You don't appear to be old enough to answer my question. Or maybe I should say smart enough?
Maybe your intellectual jargon is bigger than the sex you wish you had with beautiful women?
...what? Seriously, I don't follow this at all.
Let me guess, your no Brad Pitt maybe more like the Bill Gates type!(WOW)
Bill Gates is married to a model, you might be interested to know. And I'm married to the most beautiful woman who ever rolled a twenty-sided die.

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 83 of 134 (264511)
11-30-2005 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by cavediver
11-30-2005 2:17 PM


Re: sexploitation or molestation?
From someone who has been rolling platonic solids for over 25 years now, the role-playing community has never been my first choice for wife-hunting ground.
Well, I certainly didn't start making character sheets to meet the ladies, for sure. But when she walked in the room I failed a Fort save and took 1d4 Con damage - to my heart.
Seriously, I'll see if I can get her permission to post a picture. You'll see. She's hawt! Hot hot hot.
I found the wife, then introduced her to role-playing... hmmm, that can be taken several ways...
Heh heh - I once suggested a little role-playing... in the bedroom. She asked me where we were supposed to roll the dice.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 85 of 134 (264524)
11-30-2005 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by cavediver
11-30-2005 3:33 PM


Re: sexploitation or molestation?
Permission? Why? Is she higher level than you?
No, but she is the Keeper of a Most Holy Secret of Secrets, and that's a secret that I would like to continue to... know, if you get my drift, and let's just say that if I piss her off, it won't matter how high my Cha modifier is. Assuming I don't have to roll a save vs. death, that is.
Sounds like time for a Coffee House role-playing nostalgia trip...
Put up your screen, GM.

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 87 of 134 (264532)
11-30-2005 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Phat
11-30-2005 3:45 PM


Re: Sexual Expression: Definition of it
And I never understood the difference between soft core porn and hard core porn..
Hardcore porn has penetrative acts. Softcore porn is just naked women, basically just sitting or laying there. Or standing, if that floats your boat.
At least, that's how I've always defined those terms. Holmes, your thoughts? It's probably a fuzzy boundary.

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