Sexual expression: your opinion

Wrong. What makes you think I don't get popups? (Popups which I have now totally blocked by using Mozilla Firefox.) I never said I can speak for Jesus. Jesus can speak for himself and he will one day.It will be proven by miraculous signs that cannot possibly happen scientifically and then his glorious return. Perhaps I mistated that.Every sexual thought is an arousing yet consciouslly undesired one, and therefore I resist it. Actually, I don't really have any real struggle. I've revised my statement.It is natural to find it appealing I suppose, but I choose not to think about that crap. Yes I did, because humans suck and are all retarded and there is no love in the world so shall ye all burn in hell. I didn't literally mean I dougted they had free will, I just think they don't exercise mental control enough to have mental control to the needed extent. If I honestly thought I was the only person with free will I would not have posted the consciousness topic.I never said I could speak for Jesus.

Why do Guido's posts have me thinking of Silence of the Lambs and Psycho?

Great assertion, now I am convinced! Heheheh... at first I thought you meant erections. In any case you said you hadn't really seen porn, right? But now you are going to say that your experience is worthy because you've seen some "popups"? Nice. You said what Jesus was getting angry about. Are you now playing some game because you weren't discussing what he'd actually say?Buddy I can say the same thing as you, he will speak for himself one day, and where does that leave us? Unless you are suggesting you know what he'll say then that statement is meaningless. "That crap" is how babies are made. Are you suggesting you are not human, or that you suck like the rest of us and will also burn? In either case if I'm going to burn in hell anyway I might as well enjoy myself here with other people. Perhaps it feels like there is no love in the world to you because you are afraid of sex? But you pretty well said it. I'm sorry if I go by what you write rather than what you meant. I guess I need to upgrade my ESP program. So how does this square with your earlier comment that all humans suck and there is no love and they'll all burn in fire?

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Guido---dont let these guys give you any crap! None of us know each other...I certainly have profiles of others here in my mind, but I do not know them. Here in the school of hard knocks, nobody is gonna coddle you---thats for sure! You have some unique challenges in your life as you grow up, and your intellectualism is not the main one. You are bright yet impatient, and get easily bored. Hopefully, your friends are good influences...I've known some kids who had thug friends and who got in all sorts of trouble.God will bring some girls your way in His timing...it is natural and appropriate to get involved in the context of a group such as a youth group. It is unfortunate that your Pastor is a jerk. Don't give up looking for good mentors in life, though.Jar, and nwr, and I are always willing to discuss issues with you concerning intellectual ideas, and you can connect a bit to the adult world at this site with a reasonable degree of rationality.There is no substitute for one on one relationships, however. Watch yourself out there! There are weirdos lurking everywhere...but I expect that you are bright enough to discern them.As far as sexual expression is concerned, this link provides a worldly yet rational dissertion on the issues with teenagers.From the Christian perspective, there are a lot of mixed messages about that stuff as well. I do not think that it is natural and OK for a teenager to experiment with his/her emotions and hormonal urges.You are quite right in wanting to wait until marriage, if possible.I will say that forced abstinance is also a bit extreme...you know how it is when the more you try and NOT think about something, that is soon all you think about? Your best strategy, in my opinion, is to find a well balanced and healthy group of active kids...of both sexes...to hang out with in a controlled setting such as a cool church group (as opposed to controlling ones) or maybe a physics club or a journalism class or some sort of a group with shared activities that stimulate your mind and keep you busy.You can grow emotionally by hanging out with a mixture of age related friends and older mentors. Im sorry that your Pastor was insensitive to you---but don't let it discourage you.Only you know if that youth group is right for you or if you need to find a better one. Pray about it, and ask God to forgive all of the people who have hurt you in your life. You are a bright kid with a bright future! Im praying for you as well, Guido! You da spiritual pimp!

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Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere.
Pensées (1670)We arrive at truth, not by reason only, but also by the heart.
Pensées (1670)Heb 4:12-13-- For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Holy Spirit--speaking through the Apostle Paul

And I will agree that teenagers need to have someone talk to them about sex, Holmes. I have seen many teenagers both male and female who are but 13-15 years old and already have a kid! They are locked up and the state ends up taking care of both 13 year old parent and child!In a perfect world, a young persons parents should approach the issue. Many parents are afraid that if they discuss sexual stuff with their eleven year old that the kid will end up getting horny or something. This simply is not true. Kids like to hear information from someone whom they trust and not just off of some internet information page or a sterile sex ed seminar at school where they pass out condoms! Sexual expression means more than going out screwing girls! Expression is a human need, and the stimulation of the intellect will often sublimate the raw passion that pornography only irritates.Sports are another outlet! Creativity is a gift from God and so is procreation, in the right time and place.

Why should this situation pose a problem to a person in a first world country? Not the locking up part, but the age part. The fact that what you suggest is a result is an indictment of how we as a society handle pregnancy, rather than anything about pregnancy. Yes, we are all peacocks. However the concept that all time must be spent in learning how to preen and display and nothing in what the end of that display is for, is what disturbs me.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Patato!!!! Only once. I wanted to throw up. It's in the scriptures. Yes, but people don't need to be looking at porn or having premarital sex. What is really sickening is the "immoral extremeties" as Pastor Jerry once put it (Thats the Pastor I like.) Sex is not love and love is not sex. You are now confusng the two. Patato!!! Brocali!!!!

Could it be??? Holmes mellowing with age????

What concenting perverts plus a managerie do in the privacy of they're brothel / dungeon is they're own biz.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Hello Guidosoft,My impression of your posts is not flattering at all and I get tempted to respond in not-so-flattering terms. However, something someone else said (Phat maybe) caused me to re-think. Further, arguing with you will help neither of us.You have some very strong opinions that I (and I believe others) just as strongly disagree with. I wonder and would like to hear how you developed those positions. Are you willing to give us a rough idea of your age. A person's age have a huge impact on how they view topics such as sex. (I passed 50 some time ago)Maybe if you would state you positions and why you hold them and try not to be inflamatory (as though I am one to talk ) we could carry on a nice discussion and see where we get.Do you see that there is any possiblity that, given a heart to heart with someone, you might change any of your opinions on sex, porn, and the lot?If the answer is yes, I would like to talk.
If the answer is no, then I ask: why are you here? Just to tell other poeple how screwed up they are? Are you basically an angry person? (Dont take that as an insult. I am an angry person and am still learning what that means and how to deal with it.)This is about as big an olive branch I can whump up. What say you?

I am 14, and right now I am a very angry person.Now look, it's like this:Some teens start looking at porn.
They get addicted and keep looking at porn.
They want to have sex really badly after while.
They end up raiping someone.At least, this is what I have heard.Now, it is my understanding that when these things happen, your free will becomes less and less involved. Your addiction becomes strong.I refuse to allow my free will to be suppressed. I want full choice control over my actions. Not 20% control, 100% control.By refusing to participate in such pervesity that porn is, I am actually reinforcing and strengthening my free will.When you are able to accomplish this:1. Long term motivations become easier and easier.
2. It is possible to quit bad habbits much easier.
3. A decision can be made with strong mental force that will not dissipate over time.Now, as I type, I am deeply hurt and angry about things which are none of your business. Now, I refuse to use sex and pornography to help me recover. It would corrupt the very thing that hurts me, something which should just remain pure. Now I told you about Pastor Ed and what he thinks of me, and he is completley related, but it is not him I am talking about.You probably have no freekin clue what I am talking about, but I am not obligated to explain, so I will not.

Then you need some anger control. Be careful of hearsay reports.In most cases, porn does not lead to rape.There isn't much point in being angry over porn, because there isn't much you can do about it anyway. Your anger is wasted. Start by controlling your anger. I doubt that.In any case, the time you spend reading and posting at evcforum is time that you are not spending on porn.Keep up a varied and interesting life, and you will be fine. People with interesting activities soon find porn to be boring. People who become addicted are mostly people who would otherwise be bored.And don't forget to work on that anger.

Hello Guidosoft,Well, your response tells me much about you and why you post the way you do.I find it hard to imagine my father at age 14 and as I am over 50, you probably find it just as hard to see me understanding you at age 14. However, I do remember those years well, and I was not fond of them at all. I just may have a much better idea of what you are talking about than you realize.This is getting way off topic. I went to the member profile and sent an email the the address listed with your name. If you would like to carry on a discussion, I would like that. If not, I will not press the issue.But on topic, about sexual expression. While Nixon was president, the government commissioned a large study about poronography. The results were that porn had no ill effect on anyone. This was not what many in government wanted at the time (and still do not) so the report was squashed. I have not been able to find it again, maybe another reader here can search better than I and can help us.Porn is not addictive. I may not be able to convince you, but I urge you to consider that possibility. I have seen a fair amount of porn starting with 8mm film projectors when I was 16. I watch it on ocassion now, but it gets boring quickly.RE: Now, it is my understanding that when these things happen, your free will becomes less and less involved. Your addiction becomes strong.This is true for any addiction. It can even be true for people that close out the world by stuffing their ears with headphones and tuning out everyone else rather than participating with others and being part of society. This is not a porn problem, it is the nature of people.The time is really late so I must call it a night, let this rest for now, and see how you reply.I do want to talk with you.
Bkelly

That doesn't even make sense. My criticism was that you keep making assertions. That is not a potato patato thing.I read your later post and I think I've lost interest in discussing anything with you. Apparently you are young and speak as a child and are as yet not ready to put away childish things. You refuse to deal with what I say and instead throw only quips and assertions at me. For example... That would be a lot more interesting if you actually quoted at least one, that made the connection between Jesus and porn. If you haven't had sex and have felt no love, how on earth would you know the connection between the two? Because Jerry told you? Didn't you just get done saying there is no love in the world anyway?Here's a news flash at 14 you really shouldn't be so angry and hateful about sex. I don't care if you decide not to have it or avoid porn, but it is unhealthy to feel anger and sickness when you encounter it.You say you "have heard" that porn leads to addiction which leads to rape. Unfortunately there is no data to back that claim up. Go ahead and look. And in fact if you look such studies up you may begin to find that a contrary statistic exists. Rapists and murderers have anger problems, and many were taught to be negative about sex while growing up. Thus they lost something that was heatlthy and positive, only understanding to feel hate and sickness toward something that is crucial to good relationships and feelings of self worth.No joke, from what you write, you appear to be a greater candidate for turning into a rapist or murderer than someone who simply says "i like porn".As another poster has suggested, you need to check into some Anger management classes. By the way, what does Jesus say about hate?

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

How many posts on this forum are filled with nothing but insults, quips, and bare assertions? How many of those are written by 14 year olds? I don't think that age has anything to do with it.