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FliesOnly
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Message 121 of 167 (264174)
11-29-2005 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Omnivorous
11-29-2005 2:22 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
omnivorous writes:
Sold, Flies.
I'll do it tonight so my better half can enjoy the sign-up with me.
Great! I think you're gonna enjoy yourselves. Let me know what you think after your first (dare I say "virgin") data collection day.
Ha, I love the idea of everyone keeping news about the bog quite. Some things are much better off being kept secret.
And believe it or not, I just got off the phone with my wife (she was out in the woods walking our pooch) and she saw a few Ruby-crowned Kinglets flitting around.
Living in the boonies sure can be nice...at times.
Ok, I have to ask. What is the Blue Line? Is that the line the delineates the State Park? If so...hmmm...how many blue ribbon trout streams are on your 66 acres? Just wondering

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FliesOnly
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Message 122 of 167 (264179)
11-29-2005 3:44 PM


Nervous
By the way, was anyone other than myself a little nervous (and perhaps frightened) when they noticed the Brad McFall had posted to this thread? I was both intrigued and wary to read what the hell sorta hobby he might have.
As is typical though...even after "reading" his post, I still have not the foggiest idea what he does in his spare time (but a penis fetish seems likely...based on his second collage).

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Omnivorous
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Message 123 of 167 (264186)
11-29-2005 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by FliesOnly
11-29-2005 3:33 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
Yeah, that's the demarcation line for the Adirondack Park. Hiking north, it's 25 miles to the first transecting road.
No trout streams on the 66 acres, but there is much fishing in the area: fishing and snowmobiling are mainstays of the local tourist economy. I grew up hunting and fishing, but now I mostly don't.
The google map is here: our woods are about two-thirds of the way up the road you see running north--a faint yellow line at center image that first dog-legs right, then straightens. We're near the ending "e" in the faintly overlaid "Google." As you can see, we're on a fairly gently sloping hillside, chosen for good drainage and healthy hardwoods; just to the north you can see things getting more rugged, with many streams, ponds, and lakes.
Come stalk skeeters with me sometime

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iano
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Message 124 of 167 (264397)
11-30-2005 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Omnivorous
11-29-2005 12:12 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
omnivorous writes:
I cannot will myself to believe in something of which I see no sign or necessity.
As it happens, God doesn't expect that you will your way to him. He is fully aware that you cannot. It is him that comes to you. He is the one who shows you the sign and the necessity. He is the one who gives the belief (or rather, the grounds by which belief is automatic). He give faith. He does it all.
The only part you can play is to say "no thanks"
Even so, I remain more agnostic than atheist.
Is there any practical (as opposed to philosophical) difference between them. Don't both live their lives without any reference to God.
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FliesOnly
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Message 125 of 167 (264676)
12-01-2005 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Omnivorous
11-29-2005 4:14 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
Omnivorous writes:
No trout streams on the 66 acres, but there is much fishing in the area: fishing and snowmobiling are mainstays of the local tourist economy. I grew up hunting and fishing, but now I mostly don't.
What...no trout stream! Sell the place, it's obviously worthless. I have to ask though: Are the skeeters really that bad? At times up on Beaver Island they are horrendous, but, by-and-large, I am not bothered by them too much. After a few bites early in the summmer I no longer get those itchy welts and barley even notice when I'm being bitten. Black flies on the other hand...Arrrrrrrrrg!
By the way, I have to admit that your property appears to be located in an ideal setting. Is it as remote as it appears? How hard is it hard to get to? Is snow a problem? I’ll bet Fall is stunning. How about paved roads? Riding my bike around that area seems like it would be a blast, but hey, I don't ride one of them sissy mountain bikes. I need pavement.
Now, as far as fishing goes, I don't really need a trout stream to fly fish. I use flies exclusively, no matter the body of water (lake, pond, river, creek, etc) nor the target species (brookies through suckers and carp). It is just so much more enjoyable for me than using spin casting or bait casting rigs with any sort of live bait or store bought artificial lures. I have quite a few fly rods, so if ya want to learn...
So, did you join Feeder Watch?

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RAZD
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Message 126 of 167 (264905)
12-01-2005 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Dan Carroll
11-29-2005 3:29 PM


I just started doing some sudoku puzzles. It takes me a while to find the key starting point yet, but when they start to fall together ...

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Message 127 of 167 (264910)
12-01-2005 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by FliesOnly
11-29-2005 3:44 PM


Re: Nervous for naught.
collages
as multilayered as his posts.
Collage – Artlex

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Omnivorous
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Message 128 of 167 (265039)
12-02-2005 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by FliesOnly
12-01-2005 7:56 AM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
I have to ask though: Are the skeeters really that bad?
At times, yes: in the spring the skeeters and black flies are a plaque--but they also keep casual trespassers away, which is nice.
I have a bug suit that I prefer to chemical repellents. Fall is indeed the best of times there for beauty and comfort. I also get fairly immune to skeeter bite effects, but alas, my poor wife (whom they prefer) does not.
Is it as remote as it appears? How hard is it to get to? Is snow a problem?
The road I centered in the image is a gated, private gravel road; it is pretty much impassable in a snowy winter, but we can snowshoe the 1.5-2.0 miles up to our place. As you can imagine from its just east of the Great Lakes location, the snow pack can become immense. A neighbor once managed to drive an SUV over frozen pack, and overnight the thing settled into almost 5 feet of snow
It's not as remote as it appears, but the area is very thinly settled once you are north of the highway. The town plows the roads up to the start of the private access road. The lots average around 35 acres each, though the largest lot is 200+--that contains the brown areas you see in the Google image, where the current owner (damn him) is logging: most owners there want to keep their portion pristine. There is a page-long set of covenants in the deeds which forbid more than one cabin/home, impose height restrictions, limit any business activity to logging, etc.
When we went to look at the lots, we were treated to scores of red spotted newts crossing the road; after a quick huddle, we told the salesman, "We'll take two!" This was long before we bought a home: a matter of priorities, you see...
It is just so much more enjoyable for me than using spin casting or bait casting rigs with any sort of live bait or store bought artificial lures. I have quite a few fly rods, so if ya want to learn...
Thanks, Flies. I'll hold you to that invite some year soon. My struggles with the car-accident leg and spine injuries have largely kept me away from the woods the past three years, having been unable to hike, pitch a large tent, chop wood, etc.: visits were depressing, actually, because they highlighted what I could no longer do but longed for... But now that my knee and cervical spine have been reconstructed, and I am making progress on returning to decent physical conditioning, I look forward to returning in the spring. We have a few stands of timber-sized black cherry (the most rot-resistant tree growing in the area), and my plan to raise my own cabin with them has been on hold; I may or may not regain the physical capacity that once made me confident of the job. The dominant trees there are beech, maple, ash.
So, did you join Feeder Watch?
Yep! Waiting on our super-duper starter kit now; also took the opportunity to subscribe to Bird Watcher Digest (with half the price going to the FeederWatch Project).
I haven't been this excited since my Decoder Ring shipped...

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Brad McFall
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Posts: 3428
From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 129 of 167 (265062)
12-02-2005 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by FliesOnly
11-29-2005 3:44 PM


Re: Nervous?-dont be
There is no such fetish. People just insist on seeing snakes as members of the human body. The eastern pic with many heads simply relfects the form of the "hood"; I simply added the most common three headed picture one might notice in looking at many snake books. Blake had a healthy vision of the creatures. The top picture contains a very old view of a snake sheeding, so I included some skin if you look closely. Wow!!,but look at the metal snake head to the right there, that REALLY expresses what a snake head looks like. It does not look any thing like a circumsized Johnson.
I created those collages to see if I would end up thinking differently about snakes and lizards than I had thought in reading Croizat's panbiogeography and his book about plant sex etc. In truth I made the college to remove any penis"" from stray thoughts as that's how I was able to "close" the collage. That was the baby JESUS not a penis you saw. The interesting thing about all of Croizat's texts
Page not found - Buffalo Museum of Science
(just look at all he wrote and one can easily wonder why he is not more of staple than a lunatic fringed, in contemporary biological pedagogy)
is that as you read them, if you comment in the margin and reread one's own comments, crossing out and drawing what comes to mind as one reads over and over, one can see the artist in Croizat virtually draw out from the reader's comments, figures put in text by the methodical author. I found Croizat's work more intricate than Derrida's, if only because Croizat mentally embedded organic FORMS in letters, sentences, maps, and drawings. What I saw as a new way to DO biology (that part gained through reading) Gould probably saw but a distraction. Neatly Croizat did all of this BEFORE cut & paste, which makes doing the same extremly easy today. There just is not enough appreciation of the art of Croizat's method.
I really do not have much time this semester since I have 17 credits. I made these concatentations last year. When I have spare time I try to catch up on reading Kant. Someday I would like to have his entire thought process internalized but that takes the time I do not have. As I am getting older I do like to watch an occasional sports game.
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FliesOnly
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From: Michigan
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Message 130 of 167 (265065)
12-02-2005 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Omnivorous
12-02-2005 12:19 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
Omnivorous writes:
I have a bug suit that I prefer to chemical repellents. Fall is indeed the best of times there for beauty and comfort. I also get fairly immune to skeeter bite effects, but alas, my poor wife (whom they prefer) does not.
I think you and I may actually be the same person...some sort of parallel universe thing.
Omnivorous writes:
The road I centered in the image is a gated, private gravel road; it is pretty much impassable in a snowy winter, but we can snowshoe the 1.5-2.0 miles up to our place. As you can imagine from its just east of the Great Lakes location, the snow pack can become immense. A neighbor once managed to drive an SUV over frozen pack, and overnight the thing settled into almost 5 feet of snow
Priceless.
Omnivorous writes:
It's not as remote as it appears, but the area is very thinly settled once you are north of the highway. The town plows the roads up to the start of the private access road. The lots average around 35 acres each, though the largest lot is 200+--that contains the brown areas you see in the Google image, where the current owner (damn him) is logging: most owners there want to keep their portion pristine. There is a page-long set of covenants in the deeds which forbid more than one cabin/home, impose height restrictions, limit any business activity to logging, etc.
It's nice to know that not only do locations like this still exist, but that people like your and your wife have acquired them. I am about as envious as a person can be.
Omnivorous writes:
But now that my knee and cervical spine have been reconstructed, and I am making progress on returning to decent physical conditioning, I look forward to returning in the spring. We have a few stands of timber-sized black cherry (the most rot-resistant tree growing in the area), and my plan to raise my own cabin with them has been on hold; I may or may not regain the physical capacity that once made me confident of the job.
I wish you the best of luck in your recovery. Try riding a bike...it is great fun and very good exercise . Seriously though, I sincerely hope you're soon able to get to the job at hand. It sounds like it will be a true labor of love...and quite a good time ta boot.
Hey, I also own a chainsaw and am a bachelor for most of the summer (my wife is off doing her cormorant research). I love the outdoors, am not afraid of physical labor or getting dirty, appreciate good beer and single malts, can cook over an open fire (but can't master it indoors using a gas stove for some reason) and was an Eagle Scout!
Gads, I feel like I'm at the "EHarmony.com" site or something...lol
Since you're the only other person I know at Feeder Watch, let me know if you see anything cool this weekend.
What about the rest of you weenies? When the hell are any of you gonna join Feeder Watch. Come on...do something valuable with your online time.

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Omnivorous
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From: Adirondackia
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Message 131 of 167 (265149)
12-02-2005 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by FliesOnly
12-02-2005 2:20 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
Hey, I also own a chainsaw and am a bachelor for most of the summer (my wife is off doing her cormorant research). I love the outdoors, am not afraid of physical labor or getting dirty, appreciate good beer and single malts, can cook over an open fire (but can't master it indoors using a gas stove for some reason) and was an Eagle Scout!
Single malt? Good beer? Chainsaw? (not necessarily--or esp. not--in that order...)
Hired!
I, too, am sometimes a summer bachelor, most recently when my scholar wife spent two months researching Renaissance herbals and women's "recipe" books (i.e., remedies) in London. This could work, even if we don't get past the malt and the fish.
We've always contributed what we can to green causes. When we came into a few thousand extra dollars years ago when we were just scratching by, a gift from an elderly, childless aunt, we immediately thought of using it as a downpayment for forested land, and we both worked extra jobs to pay it off.
When we realized we could protect it via our estate, making it truly "forever wild", it took our breaths away. I suspect we will do more of that as time goes by: we aren't wealthy by any (American) standard, but we live simply, don't have children, do have good salaries, and care a great deal.
We still contribute what we can to conservation, but it doesn't compare with becoming intimately acquainted with unspoiled land you have the power to save--very heady stuff. Our deed covenants are so strong, I would even be comfortable gifting it to an organization that would sell it for funds to protect more important habitat.
Scouting--O the memories... I made it to Life Scout with an embarrassingly high number of merit badges: I don't do things in half measures. I was working on my God&Country and preparing for the Eagle board when the scoutmaster came home early from a troop meeting I had skipped and caught me necking with his nearly-naked 13 y.o. daughter (I was 12, so it was okay--besides, it was her idea :rolleyes...that pretty much put paid to my scouting career.
I regret nothing.
Scoutmaster Kadel, bless his outraged father's heart, was a great guy and a good man. I grew up in a white trash ghetto called The Bottoms (flood plain--regularly did), three houses from the first block of black ghetto, surrounded by all the most noxious industries: dump/incinerator, stockyards/slaughterhouse, sewage treatment plant, creosote plant, pharmaceutical plant, truck depot, polluted rainbow-hued creek, etc.--none of these were more than a mile away: that's why pollution is so clearly a social issue for me. The favored activites were alcoholism, wife-beating, and child abuse, usually in that order.
Mr. Kadel was the first scoutmaster in the city (in the late 1950s!) to open his troop to African-American kids (who comprised most of my friends at the time), and we camped on weekends once a month, every month, right through the harshest of winters, and did several 4-5 day jamboress in the summer. To this day I am puzzled by folks (including my sweetie) who cannot fathom the urge to camp in winter. There is no stillness like a winter morning in camp, nor a cup of coffee so good...
I earned money to attend scout camp by directing cars parking outside the Indy 500, a primitive summer festival where I learned amazing things about men, women, and beer.
Scout camp is where I learned to drop and roll when on fire: our safety merit badge counsellor took this extraordinarily seriously, and we were duty-bound to drop and roll if he suddenly shouted, "You're on fire!"--he would even do this in mess hall lines or, on one occasion, in the middle of the night. Once, during a five-mile swim, he shouted, "You're all on fire!" then collapsed with laughter beside the pool when as one we dove for the bottom and barrel-rolled there.
Who knew it would serve me so well years later, when the thought, "I'm on fire!" triggered that trained response and saved me from much greater misery, if not death?
I found that counsellor after I was released from the hospital and thanked him profusely: he cried, I cried, and we stayed in touch until his death.
The scouts made a remarkable difference for me. My father had only 6 years of formal schooling and was put in an orphanage at age 10 by his father, but escaped with the help of a 13 year old brother: they hopped freights together during the Depression. He was a hard, heavy handed man, but more restrained than his own father, never using his fists on us, only open slaps and razor strops. I honored that by never striking my children or spouse, though he had taught me anger: it can take generations to put out some fires...
Through all these times, the woods were a refuge, a haven, a place of almost mystical delight for me. I often went to the nearby wooded creek alone as a kid; though my father would beat me whenever he found sand in my shoes, he couldn't get me to stop. I vividly recall our mutual puzzlement: he couldn't understand why he couldn't beat it out of me, and I couldn't understand why he kept trying.
Well, that's my who-I-am installment for the night: I fear I type too fast and lack a verbal censor, a volatile combo. There is a direct-circuit from my speech center to my tongue (and fingers) that seems to bypass inhibiting circuits others enjoy; it has caused me great grief and gained me wonderful friends.
Lucky is a relative term.
Mr. Kadel's daughter got pregnant at 15 and dropped out of school.
My greatest refuge is still the woods.
You just never know.

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RAZD
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Message 132 of 167 (265163)
12-02-2005 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Omnivorous
12-02-2005 8:46 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
My greatest refuge is still the woods.
My son is a third generation scout and the first eagle in the family. Winter is my favorite time for camping ... fewer bugs eh? As a Scoutmaster I ran the wilderness adventures and the outdoor and winter "polar bear" campouts and let the other dads manage the cabin camps. I also taught camping, wilderness survival, canoeing, whitewater and cycling merit badges (among others).
As a scout I was more interested in being out in the woods and camping than in getting merit badges, and that probably explains why I never made it past 1st class but learned a lot about camping. Our troop in Ann Arbor used some old wooded land that was owned by the university for camping and we had a patrol campsite that was near a redtail hawk nest. We could bike out and camp overnight without any adults in those days. I figure it is about where the Naval Architecture building is in North campus now ... (sigh). I used to have an indian style fire starter so I wouldn't have to use matches.
I became a birder taking J for walks when he was 1+ to the local pond to see the "duts" and then going home to look up what we saw. This was in Victoria BC, so there was a lot of variety through the year. At 2 he could identify about 50 birds at a glance, and he has shown me several I would not have seen otherwise. One was a painted redstart.
When we move to a new place the first thing we look for are places to go to get into the woods and "away". Current place is on a bike trail (less than 5 miles to work) and close to an audobon center with some other non-developable land around. It's also on the coast so I can get in the kayak and go.
Oh, and the house here is older than the constitution. The streets were named after Jefferson and Washington while they were still alive (though as far as I know Washington did not sleep here). We get lots of parades go by the door for all kinds of occasions, usually involving a colonial theme of some kind.

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Message 133 of 167 (265284)
12-03-2005 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by FliesOnly
11-29-2005 7:55 AM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
I just signed up for the Cornell thing. Thanks, Flies only. This should be fun.
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FliesOnly
Member (Idle past 4145 days)
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From: Michigan
Joined: 12-01-2003


Message 134 of 167 (265673)
12-05-2005 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by robinrohan
12-03-2005 3:13 PM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
robinrohan writes:
I just signed up for the Cornell thing. Thanks, Flies only. This should be fun.
Welcome aboard. I do find it very fun, I hope you do as well. Like I said, I'm not very good with my birds (my wife on the other hand...sheeesh...it's embarrassing sometimes...how much smarter than me she actually is), but I try hard. I forgot my data sheets from the weekend, so I'm not sure how we did, but it was pretty cold where we live so I imagine we did well.
Tragically though, I believe we’ve lost out beloved female red-bellied woodpecker. She apparently hit our window while we were not home. Last year she hit it once and my wife went out, picked her up, brought her indoors and she recovered after a while. This time, my wife found here partially frozen on the ground. It's very sad. The pair have been a mainstay at our feeders since we moved in seven years ago

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Omnivorous
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Joined: 07-21-2005
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Message 135 of 167 (265689)
12-05-2005 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by FliesOnly
12-05-2005 7:51 AM


Re: Project Feeder Watch
Tragically though, I believe we’ve lost out beloved female red-bellied woodpecker. She apparently hit our window while we were not home.
Very sorry to hear that, Flies. It's always a sad event, but especially with an old friend. We occasionally lose fledglings to window collisions, but rarely a breeding age bird.
A few years ago we gained a breeding pair of cardinals in our yard. The male attacked every window and vehicle mirror for weeks the first two seasons, defeating every attempt to discourage him. We feared for his life, but he seems to have at last figured it out.
The only noteworthy event this weekend was that the shyer groundfeeders--juncos and cardinals--reacted to the snowfall by coming to the window seed and suet feeders: we consider that the real start of winter.

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