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Author Topic:   Discovery Institute's "400 Scientist" Questionaire
Howard Beale
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Message 16 of 22 (257151)
11-05-2005 7:46 PM


Does anyone know if there is any scientist who has shown that ID is a valid scientific theory? If so, a name, please.
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Funkaloyd
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Message 17 of 22 (257213)
11-05-2005 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Howard Beale
11-05-2005 7:46 PM


To my knowledge, none have. The best and brightest proponents of intelligent design generally try to show that it's a theory by redefining what "scientific theory" means (e.g. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8178).

Welcome to the forum.


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Howard Beale
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Message 18 of 22 (257216)
11-05-2005 11:49 PM
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11-05-2005 11:40 PM


Thanks. I have yet to find one scientist who does...
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mick
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Message 19 of 22 (258254)
11-09-2005 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Monk
09-17-2005 7:32 PM


Re: one question
monk writes:

If its only one question, then shouldn't it be:
"Is random mutation and natural selection adequate to account for the complexity of life?"

You guys should bear in mind that "RM+NS" is the creationist's definition of evolutionary theory, not the working definition of scientists.

Evolution consists of more than random mutation and natural selection. There is also sexual selection, genetic drift, founder effects and other population processes, etc. etc. When we describe evolutionary theory as RM+NS we're doing ourselves a disservice. The answer to the suggested question is well known to be "No". I'm sure that Dawkins et al would agree.

Mick


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Belfry
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Message 20 of 22 (265131)
12-02-2005 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by mick
11-09-2005 7:21 PM


Re: one question
mick writes:

Evolution consists of more than random mutation and natural selection. There is also sexual selection, genetic drift, founder effects and other population processes, etc. etc. When we describe evolutionary theory as RM+NS we're doing ourselves a disservice. The answer to the suggested question is well known to be "No". I'm sure that Dawkins et al would agree.


I agree, the question posed to the scientists doesn't encompass modern evolutionary theory at all, and I would expect many evolutionists to say that NS & RM aren't the only mechanisms. In addition to the above, I would include a big one: endosymbiosis.

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Message 21 of 22 (265151)
12-02-2005 8:58 PM
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12-02-2005 6:54 PM


Re: one question
In addition to the above, I would include a big one: endosymbiosis.

welcome to the fray Belfry.

you can learn to do coding tricks for your quotes just by using the peek button to see how other do things.

type [qs]it's easy[/qs] and it becomes:

it's easy

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Belfry
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Message 22 of 22 (265160)
12-02-2005 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by RAZD
12-02-2005 8:58 PM


Re: one question
Sorry about that. I did know about the coding, but I accidentally used chevrons < instead of brackets. I often use html tags, thus the slip. Fixed now.

Thanks for the welcome, though.

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